thus Daniel J McDonald spake:
> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 09:32 -0500, John Madden wrote:
> 
>>>If they were running their systems properly we wouldn't be having this
>>>conversation. The clients of those systems are able to retrieve mail and
>>>attachments straight to local storage while by-passing local filters (and
>>>policy). Not very different from browsing ftp sites in that regard, and
>>>wholly unsecure.
>>
>>Right.  Which means *your* security policy still must include desktop 
>>security by
>>way of firewalls/virus scanning/proxies/policies/etc.  An insecure public web 
>>mail
>>system is irrelevant.
> 
> 
> Maybe, but we have blocked
> web-based-outside-e-mail-such-as-yahoo-or-msn-or-gmail-that-doesn't-use-our-MTA
>  
> (Hopefully that is explicit enough for the nit-pickers who can't read
> context)

rotfl -- hey, lame questions cause lame answers, and lame definitions
lack every context.

what you call context is the scenario inside your head which you didn't
draw well to others (read: the things you *meant*, but didn't *write*).

this has nothing to do with nit-picking. it's precision. and (your) lack
of this leads to users violating the policy. it's as easy as this...

> since right after the Melissa worm hit, what, 4 years ago?  5?
> and haven't had a mass-mailing email worm inside since.  So, a little
> policy goes a long ways.
> 
> Generally, before any of our users are silly enough to click on an web
> page with a blended attack, the anti-virus companies have found it.  And
> we do have other protections in place.

cheers,

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