Alex, your posts come over with the “flag” set (i get a red “flag” on my iphone). Did you mean to flag all your responses for some reason ?
Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2025, at 13:15, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 03:54:31PM -0500, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >> >>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 3:40 PM, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk >>> <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >>> >>> ... On top of that: A lot of those LLMs are build on theft at an epically >>> large scale. They hovered up everything in sight (and then some) without >>> even pretending to care about intellectual property rights - e.g. the NY >>> Times has taken OpenAI to court because they managed to make the OpenAI >>> LLMs spit out long verbatim fragments of NY Times content. The hilarious >>> part is that DeepSeek essentially stole from OpenAI that which OpenAI >>> previously stole from everyone else and OpenAI is very angry about the lack >>> of honor among thieves or something ;-) >> >> Excellent point. I tend to refer to LLMs as "derived work generators" to >> point out the copyright problems that are fundamental to what they do. > > I just call them "bullshit generators", based on Harry Frankfurt's "On > Bullshit". > >> I also tend to wonder about web hoovering as a training scheme, given that a >> lot of web content is fiction. And I don't mean "misinformation", I just >> mean novels and the like. What happens to an LLM that inhales "The Martian" >> or "Ringworld" ? > > That's probably a lot less harmless than what already happened: More than > one model had to be pulled back and deleted (as well as the corpus it was > trained from) because its makers had unknowingly hovered up CSAM content, > trained the model with it and it was cheerfully spitting that filth out again. > If you blindly hover up the entire Internet, you're going find stuff that > you probably don't want to have on your systems. > > Kind regards, > Alex. > -- > "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
