Anyway, the issue with cctech/talk going to the spam folder as far as GMAIL is concerned is that spectrum.com does not encrypt the messages. I presume that's the mail server domain. Bill
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 9:47 AM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I believe that the BIG PROBLEM is the unthinking liveware that simply > looks at Spam filtering effectiveness in terms of how much SPAM it prevents > from being delivered, and thinks that if some real e-mail gets lost in the > friendly fire the sender is to blame. > Apart from in technical groups as this, not one ever worries about lost > mail. Of course as a sender you can set up DKIM and SPF records, but then > so can the spammers. > > So if you find e-mail to cctalk or cctech goes to your JUNK folder on > gmail create a filter to stop it... > ... it much less effort than trying to fix google.... > > Dave > G4UGM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan > > via cctalk > > Sent: 01 January 2021 13:44 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > Subject: Re: Emails going to spam folder in gmail > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Thanks for chiming in on this. > > > > > Disclaimer: I don't speak for Google ... > > > > > Large corporations (Google included) are basically a scaling problem, > > > especially when it comes to customer service. I think that's pretty > > > obvious, and stories about YouTube problems and account access are > > legion. > > > I don't have a solution that can be applied to the problems on this > > > thread. My purpose in posting was to point out that this probably > > > isn't a matter of market share or people forgetting not to be evil; > > > it's a technical problem. Getting the configs right is the first step. > > > Blacklists are also a problem, and clearly sometimes the filters being > > > applied are wrong. We try to find and fix these things as they are > > > brought to our attention. > > > > > > > The big problem is bringing it to Google's attention. > > > > > > > > It took me less than a minute of searching to find this: > > > https://support.google.com/mail/contact/bulk_send_new > > > > > > That's the form to contact the Gmail team for getting help with > > > debugging your mail being marked as spam/phishing attempts, you get > > > SMTP temp-fails or rejects, or other problems. (The search term was > > > "problems sending email to gmail accounts" - go to the first link, > > > follow the workflow, and assuming all of the preliminary answers to > > > the questions are "I didn't do anything wrong" then you'll get a link > > > to that contact form.) > > > > > > > I spent hours over days looking for something like this (using Google > > searches) and I failed to find it. I always ended up in blind alleys > that > > assumed I was a Google customer trying to get an email into my mailbox, > not > > a correspondant of a Google customer trying to get an email out. > > > > My issue with Google and evil is that they provide no way that I can > find to > > bring abuse of Google facilites (to send spam for example) to their > attention > > so that the abuse can be stopped. For example, someone has been testing > > my mail server to see if it can be used to relay spam by forging emails > as > > coming from various email addresses in my domain name and addressed to > > check212...@gmail.com and attempting to feed these emails into my mail > > server (which doesn't accept them) from compromised ip addresses. This > > has happened nearly two hundred times over a period of five years now. I > > have made numerous attempts to bring this to the attention of Google so > > that they could put a stop to this check212014 mailbox being used for > this > > abusive purpose yet I have failed. You seem to have the magic touch. > Can > > you let me know how to bring this to Google's attention? > > > > (By the way, this doesn't tend to happen with hotmail.com addresses to > pick > > one example. The reason it doesn't is because on the rare occasions > when it > > does, reporting the issue to hotmail or whoever using the standard, easy > to > > find abuse reporting mechanisms results in the problem being stopped and > > the spammer soon gets fed up having to set up new testing mailboxes every > > few days so they end up moving over to gmail.com instead where they can > > keep the same relay testing mailbox for at least 5 years.) > > > > Regards, > > Peter Coghlan. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > >
