I hope you are aware that Sabine Hossenfelder has been accused of 
sensationalism, using clickbait headlines, calling modern physics 
"pseudoscience", etc. Some of her videos are good, but she is most suspect when 
venturing outside her own specialty.

https://sites.psu.edu/astrowright/2017/06/23/outrage-and-sensationalism/
https://timothynguyen.org/2025/08/21/physics-grifters-eric-weinstein-sabine-hossenfelder-and-a-crisis-of-credibility/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/1isje08/what_is_the_general_consensus_of_physicists_on/

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From: CCP4 bulletin board <[email protected]> on behalf of Ian Tickle 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2025 13:05
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Single Electron Counting, The Measurement Problem, 
Symmetric Sampling

Sabine Hossenfelder (theoretical physicist at LMU, Munich: see her excellent 
series of videos on YouTube) argues that the measurement problem in QM is 
fundamentally different from the one in classical physics.  In the latter it's 
about errors inherent in the measuring apparatus ("experimental errors").  In 
QM there's a fundamental limit on the precision of measurements (Heisenberg) 
that is inherent in all quantum systems and no amount of improvements in the 
apparatus is going to improve on that.  Thus she concludes "In QM the 
measurement problem is not about measurement".

-- Ian


On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 at 17:26, Nave, Colin (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:

Dear Marin,

I cheated and asked a LLM view of what you were saying by feeding it the email, 
rather than the series of papers. Is this a fair representation.?

Regards

  Colin

Cryo-Electron Microscopy (Cryo-EM) is a technique for imaging biological 
molecules at near-atomic resolution. Electron counting cameras are advanced 
detectors that count individual electrons rather than measuring their 
cumulative energy. This leads to more precise imaging.



The Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics

The Measurement Problem refers to the puzzle of how and why quantum systems 
appear to "collapse" into a definite state when measured—despite being 
described by probabilistic wavefunctions before measurement. It's a central 
philosophical issue in quantum theory.



Claim: Measurement Problem Is Not Unique to Quantum Mechanics

The statement argues that the measurement problem isn't just a quantum issue—it 
already existed in classical physics. Here's how:

  *   Classical Newtonian Physics is deterministic: given initial conditions, 
the future is fully predictable.
  *   Yet, measurement in practice always involves uncertainty, noise, and 
sampling limitations.
  *   This creates a tension: how can we reconcile perfect mathematical 
determinism with imperfect real-world measurements?



Shannon’s Sampling Theorem Connection

Shannon’s sampling theorem (from information theory) states that to perfectly 
reconstruct a signal, you must sample it at twice its highest frequency (the 
Nyquist rate). If you sample incorrectly, you get aliasing—distorted or 
misleading results.

This implies:

  *   Measurement is inherently tied to sampling rules.
  *   If you violate these rules, you misrepresent reality—even in classical 
systems.



Cryo-EM’s Unexpected Link

Electron counting cameras in Cryo-EM are measurement devices. The claim is that:

  *   Their operation exposes fundamental limits of measurement—not just 
technical ones, but philosophical ones.
  *   They highlight the need for symmetric sampling—meaning measurements must 
be taken in a way that respects the underlying structure of the system (e.g., 
time symmetry, spatial resolution).



Summary Interpretation

This passage is making a bold philosophical claim:

  *   The measurement problem is universal—not just quantum.
  *   It arises from the gap between mathematical models and physical reality.
  *   Cryo-EM, through its precision and reliance on electron counting, reveals 
this gap in a tangible way.
  *   All measurements—whether in physics, biology, or information theory—must 
obey sampling principles to avoid misrepresenting the system.





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Dear All,

Electron counting cameras in Cryo-EM have an unexpected direct connection to 
the Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics. In fact, the measurement problem 
already existed in Classical Newtonian Physics due to its Deterministic 
Mathematical Axioms and is not specifically tied to Quantum Mechanics. The 
Measurement Problem also existed in Shannon’s sampling theorem. All 
measurements, and not only those in Electron Microscopy must adhere to 
symmetric-sampling rules. Check the link to a series of papers:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7379515419424022528/

Sorry, I know it is tough stuff…

Marin





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