Dear Georg and others, if I followed the thread correctly, the coffee story should really go like this:
for years you have been pushing the button of a machine showing a cup with a black liquid inside. After ten years, the manufacturer of the machine tells you: "Sorry guy, it is not coffee what you have been drinking. If you want to drink coffee, you should push the button down here, which is labelled 'coffee'." Because you drank the other liquid for years, you are very disappointed by the taste of real coffee and keep on pushing the old button that you got used to. That's how I interpret Paul's statement "[...] many people learnt (I discovered, rather late in the day) [...]" Has anyone of the disappointed users asked how to do it properly? Maybe it is just as easy. Cheers, Tim On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:22:27 +0200 Georg Zocher <x...@zocher.be> wrote: > Dear Paul, > > people are complaining that they have issues fitting their model in > real space using coot 0.9.x. Personally, I very briefly used coot > other the last months but also have problems using RSR properly > because I'm used to do it the way it was over the last 10 years. This > might be due to my ignorance that I did not have a more closer look > into the new features of RSR in 0.9 release and how to use them. But > from the user site it's different to handle now. > > I do not understand your Ferrari comparison (sorry) as I would not > buy one even if I would have more money than one can spend. But I > would take a cup of coffee as an example. If you always go to the > same dealer to get your coffee in the morning as you know you get a > very descent and excellent tasting cup of coffee that you fully enjoy > every morning than you really get used to it. It might be than a hard > time for you if your coffee dealer tells you: Sorry guys, I do have > now an optimized coffee that is much better, taste a lot better, is > fair produced,... It's just not the coffee you drunk over the last 10 > years and I will not offer that one anymore. You might give the new > one a chance, you might find it as excellent as the dealer but you > might not. From my point of view it's the lack of choice that > personally I do not like so much, especially if there is no other > coffee dealer around... > > Nevertheless, I'm aware and fully respect all the effort you put in > the development of coot and I'm really grateful that coot is > available. > > All the best, > Georg > > > > Am 08.09.20 um 17:44 schrieb Paul Emsley: > > On 08/09/2020 16:25, Georg Zocher wrote: > >> > >> > >> we have the same experience in our lab. > > > > > > What experience is that? I am still in the dark about you think is > > now worse. > > > > > >> Personally, I did would not like to judge here, as so far, I did > >> not have had enough time to get into the new RSR of coot 0.9.x by > >> myself. But many colleagues did not like the new refinement module > >> maybe just as they are used to the method in all coot versions > >> before. > > > > > > You have a Ferrari parked beside your house but you want to to take > > the bus to work because that's what you've always done. Or maybe > > the Ferrari is parked around the back and you don't know it's there? > > > > > >> > >> I just thought if it wouldn't be an option to let the user decide > >> what kind of RSR implementation she/he would like to use and give > >> them the choice via an option in coot preferences? > > > > > > That would be possible but not easy. Unlike much of the CCP4 suite, > > Coot is Free Software. But, again... why would you want to take the > > bus? Explain. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Paul. > > > > ######################################################################## > > > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > > > > This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB, a > > mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are > > available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > > This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB, a > mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are > available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ -- -- Tim Gruene Head of the Centre for X-ray Structure Analysis Faculty of Chemistry University of Vienna Phone: +43-1-4277-70202 GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/
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