Hi, Eddie.

We are not exclusively an adult club, but that event is an exclusively adult event. I promise not to bring my children. I hope you will have the same courtesy not to bring yours.

If the very existence of an adults-only event on a calendar for a club is enough to cause problems for children, their caretakers are failing them.

Best,

-Fox

On 10/10/23 09:48, Eddie Runner wrote:
but thats the problem you fail to see.  we are not an ADULT club.  !!!

we work with schools.  and boy scouts.  we even offer a student membership.   and always encorage youngsters to and parents to discover and enjoy ham radio.

Eddie NU5K

Sent from my iphone

On Oct 10, 2023, at 9:38 AM, K5BOU via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:



Fox, KW6FOX, well say!

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#77940

*From:* BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> *On Behalf Of *Fox Danger Piacenti via BVARC
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 10, 2023 9:27 AM
*To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>; anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com>
*Cc:* Fox Danger Piacenti <kelke...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday!

Hi, all.

I'm a fairly new member of this club, having joined only a month or two ago. I went to last month's Brew's with BVARC event as my first intro event to the club. Seemed like a fun way to get to know some folks and have a good time.

And it was exactly that. I loved getting to hang with club members and the offerings at the bar. I'm a bit confused from some of the correspondence here. Has anything actually happened that was a problem at these events or is this a lot of speculation about issues that *could* happen? I don't much patience for the latter. If it's the former, it's fair to discuss how to address the issue. If something happened that evening, it must have happened while I wasn't looking or after I left.

I expect club members to be adults. I expect people to make their own decisions. I also am quite aware that sometimes people have difficulties with addiction and specific substances.

We're a very large club. That leaves room for diversity of events. It also means we're more likely to have some members who aren't a good fit for events. But if we actually come across a member we discover is behaving irresponsibly at these get-togethers, I do expect those running them to intervene. Worrying about whose legal responsibility it is comes as a secondary concern (though still a concern!): I expect the event runners to address behavior problems and let people who can't behave themselves know they aren't allowed back.

I'm telling everyone here as a new club member I found the event fun, I saw no irresponsible behavior and I had a great time meeting people and putting some faces to callsigns. I suggest anyone who doesn't like events at bars not come, and if they have particular concern about a members welfare if they were to attend, to let the event runner know about it. From there, we can judge actions.

If anyone had a specific incident at the event that they felt was handled poorly and not addressed, I think that's important to bring up here. Otherwise I'd suggest people live and let live.

Best,

-Fox, KW6FOX

On 10/10/23 08:59, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:

    oh i read your email. but i wanted my thoughts to go to the club.
    not just you.

    i usually try to get the membership involved. at least thier
    brains thinking about some of the fun stuff that goes on behind
    the scenes.

    we need a big turnout for the november club elections!   we
    rarely have more than one person running for office.  should be fun.

    as far as Brews with bvarc.  months ago i was one of the only
    ones to speak up with my feelings on the subject.

    now that others are thinking about it and sharing their thoughts
    you cant say they are causing problems.  they are club members
    and they are allowed (encouraged) to share opinions.

    if members sharing their views are considered problems then we
    should be very carefull who we vote for.

    Eddie NU5K

    Sent from my iphone



        On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:10 AM, anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com>
        <mailto:w5li...@gmail.com> wrote:

        

        As you say to me all the time ( you did not read all of my
        email). I said at the end of my last response that if you had
        any more questions or comments email me directly. I am not
        going to answer or say anything bad about the board on the
        reflector. As stated in my last response you can email me
        about the reason I left the board. I just want the club to
        enjoy the event and don't want club members to be
        causing problems about an event that both Kori and Mike
        put together.It's interesting that the problem goes away a
        few months, and a month later it's right back with more
        people causing problems. It's like somehow they were told
        about only the bad not any of the good. For a while there
        were no problems and now the past few months there is a
        problem with the event. I mentioned the club
        president (Mike), because he talked to Kori about the event
        and said, (go with it). So I don't understand how now he or
        other club members have a problem with the event.

        On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:13 AM Eddie Runner
        <eddie.run...@yahoo.com> wrote:

            MY post isnt political and has nothing to do with elections,

            my concern was the appearance of the website...

            I wasnt mudslinging, I didnt even mention anyones name..

            I didnt see anyone mentioning names till you mentioned
            Mikes....

            You (Anthony) mentioned our president about 3 times.. 
            (that is mud slinging)

            Why did you drop from the board when there is only a
            couple of months left

            on your board of directors term...   Your my buddy, I
            would do anything for you

            but I am calling you a cry baby.. probably related to
            Kori running against Mike.

            I guess your buddy Kori is running against Mike for
            president this term..

            Mike has been a pretty damn good president for a very
            long time, he has

            always been there for our club when no one else has
            been..  When no one else

            will, Mikey is always there..  Club is huge, money in the
            bank, food at meetings,

            amazing hamfest,  thank you Mike !!!!

            Time for a change?  Sure, Maybe!

            Kori is very energetic and very popular in the club.. 
             He is a pretty smart guy.

            and would likely make a good president ..  Will he be
            willing to put as much into

            BVARC as Mike does..??

            Time will tell.

            Eddie (NU5K)

            it is our club, speak your mind..

            On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 08:17:45 PM CDT, anthony
            moro <w5li...@gmail.com> wrote:

            I have been thinking all day about this. I think this is
            a way of throwing mud during the elections. This is not
            fair to either side. So everyone knows I have left the
            board for this very sort of stuff. I think this club
            needs to stop being divided and think about what's best
            for the club. Acting like this about an event the club
            president allowed to happen is not what's best for the
            club. I think that we need to leave the name of the event
            alone and stop acting like everybody in the club
            doesn't drink at all. I say this and also tell y'all
            about my past. I was given probation for my third DWI.
            While on probation I found a great hobby, and all of yall
            have been great friends to me. I know that at least one
            person in the club has a few beers after work. There is
            nothing wrong with that. So saying that, we should leave
            this topic alone and think and look to the future of this
            club. If you feel the same way I feel then think real
            hard about what is really going on in the club and see
            how we as a club can pull together and put an end to this
            click kind of behavior. We should work together, not
            against each other. Just like some of yall dont get up
            for the 6:30am breakfast or leave work to go to the Lunch
            Bunch do the same with this event. If you don't have the
            time and would like to be with the family instead then
            don't go and keep your comments about an event the club
            president allowed to yourself. I am appalled with the
            behavior of some people that chose to act this way. I
            know yall are better than this. Now let's get back to
            having fun in this hobby as one of the largest clubs in
            texas, and show people what being a great HAM is about.
            If you have any questions or comments about what I said
            in this email, please email me directly. I am willing to
            talk to yall about how I feel about how the club members
            are acting about an event that has been going on for
            almost a year now. Also remember the club president
            allowed this event after talking to Kori the vice
            president before he became vice president.

            I am sorry if this sounded like I am venting. But I am
            just tired of all the mud slinging in the club.

            On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:22 PM Eddie Runner via BVARC
            <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

                You guys are finally paying attention!!

                I enjoyed  the BwBvarc the couple of times I went
                (fellowship), even though

                I am not a drinker...

                I complained when we started advertising it on the
                website as a BVARC sanctioned event...

                Being that we have always tried to put forward a
                welcoming face and tried to attract young

                folks and even children and parents to our club...

                No one paid any attention to me back then.

                PLUS, I am sure some of our members have or have had
                problems with booze....

                Some have had DUIs, some are recovering...!

                Some of you know my son,

                he has been a ham (since 10 years old) and is now
                43yrs.. He has been an addict

                for many years.. Although I like to share with him
                ham radio things, like the hamfest  and so on.

                I would be afraid to even mention BwBVARC to him.

                I didn't go, but someone mentioned to me that the
                LAST BwBVARC had CBD beers

                which were noted with warnings that they could affect
                the outcome of a drug test.

                Glad you guys are finally paying attention!!

                Eddie Runner (NU5K)

                On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 01:06:47 PM CDT, JP
                Pritchard via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

                Even if the club turns out to be protected from legal
                liability, I'm not sure we want our club name to be
                associated with a possible DUI traffic tragedy. Just
                a thought.

                JP, K5JPP

                    On 10/09/2023 12:48 PM CDT Rick Hiller via BVARC
                    <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

                    The promoted title “Brews with BVARC” leans
                    toward making it a de facto, sanctioned event,
                    and this doesn't sit well with some folks.

                    By W5RH.

                    Sent from my i-Thingamajig



                        On Oct 9, 2023, at 11:48 AM, N5LNK - Sean
                        Linkenheimer via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

                        Philippe,

                        Thank you I had no idea this was a concern
                        for some. A few years back I was required to
                        be certified with TABC for the The Katy Rice
                        Harvest Festival. I am a Past Grand Knight
                        and former District Deputy of the Knights of
                        Columbus and our council 6950 served beer for
                        the Rice Harvest Festival. Because our
                        council was engaged in serving alcohol we had
                        the responsibility to not serve patrons past
                        the legal limit and were trained how to spot
                        when someone was intoxicated. That being
                        said, the Brews with BVARC event, although a
                        gathering of members at an establishment that
                        serves alcohol, is in no way the same as
                        our club serving alcohol to members or the
                        general public. I believe the club having a
                        Brews with BVARC event in many ways is no
                        different than any of the other membership
                        gatherings; afterall it is about comradery. I
                        have not read the clubs bylaws but if there
                        was something governing this sort of
                        gathering it would be found in the bylaws.


                        73 de

                        N5LNK - Sean

                        On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 11:10 AM K5BOU via
                        BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

                            In the past few weeks, I heard some
                            members talk about the legal aspect of
                            having events at the bar/brewery serving
                            alcohol under the BVARC umbrella. Because
                            of the nature of my job, working in the
                            restaurant/Hotel industry, I have some
                            contacts at TABC and ask who will be
                            responsible if some members get
                            intoxicated during a club event at the
                            restaurant or bar. TABC clarifies that
                            The restaurant/bar with TABC licenses
                            that sells and serves alcohol to an
                            intoxicated patron is responsible.

                            I hope this helps.

                            I hope you have a great week.

                            K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont

                            Houston*|*Texas*|*USA*|*

                            https://mccrarymeadowsweather.com/

                            #77940

                            *From:*BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org>
                            *On Behalf Of *Kori Rahman via BVARC
                            *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2023 12:58 AM
                            *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB
                            <bvarc@bvarc.org>
                            *Cc:* Kori Rahman <kori...@gmail.com>
                            *Subject:* [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this
                            Tuesday!

                            Hello everyone!

                            This is another reminder of our Brews
                            with BVARC event coming up this Tuesday
                            October 10th at 6:30pm. We will be at
                            Holler Brewing Company in Houston. Please
                            come out if you can. There's always great
                            conversation and camaraderie out at these
                            events, and we hope you can join us this
                            time around. Give us a call on *146.520
                            MHz FM Simplex* if you need directions
                            when nearby or if you have trouble
                            finding our table.

                            Please check out their website
                            (Hollerbeer.com
                            <https://hollerbeer.com/>) to see their
                            selection of beers and for information
                            about their brewery. They promise to have
                            "pop-up chefs" on-site every day so there
                            should be an opportunity to grab some
                            delicious food as well. As always, arrive
                            when you can, be safe, be responsible,
                            and let's have fun!

                            *October Brews with BVARC:**
                            *When:**
                            Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pm
                            *Where:*
                            Holler Brewing Co.
                            2206 Edwards St. Suite A
                            Houston, TX 77007

                            Hope to see you there! Thanks and 73!

                            *Kori Rahman, WX5KR**
                            **Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club*

                            *Vice-President and Club Call Sign KK5W
                            Trustee**
                            *Cell: (770) 298 8516

                            kori...@gmail.com <mailto:kori...@gmail.com>

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