Hi, all.

I'm a fairly new member of this club, having joined only a month or two ago. I went to last month's Brew's with BVARC event as my first intro event to the club. Seemed like a fun way to get to know some folks and have a good time.

And it was exactly that. I loved getting to hang with club members and the offerings at the bar. I'm a bit confused from some of the correspondence here. Has anything actually happened that was a problem at these events or is this a lot of speculation about issues that *could* happen? I don't much patience for the latter. If it's the former, it's fair to discuss how to address the issue. If something happened that evening, it must have happened while I wasn't looking or after I left.

I expect club members to be adults. I expect people to make their own decisions. I also am quite aware that sometimes people have difficulties with addiction and specific substances.

We're a very large club. That leaves room for diversity of events. It also means we're more likely to have some members who aren't a good fit for events. But if we actually come across a member we discover is behaving irresponsibly at these get-togethers, I do expect those running them to intervene. Worrying about whose legal responsibility it is comes as a secondary concern (though still a concern!): I expect the event runners to address behavior problems and let people who can't behave themselves know they aren't allowed back.

I'm telling everyone here as a new club member I found the event fun, I saw no irresponsible behavior and I had a great time meeting people and putting some faces to callsigns. I suggest anyone who doesn't like events at bars not come, and if they have particular concern about a members welfare if they were to attend, to let the event runner know about it. From there, we can judge actions.

If anyone had a specific incident at the event that they felt was handled poorly and not addressed, I think that's important to bring up here. Otherwise I'd suggest people live and let live.

Best,

-Fox, KW6FOX

On 10/10/23 08:59, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
oh i read your email. but i wanted my thoughts to go to the club. not just you. i usually try to get the membership involved. at least thier brains thinking about some of the fun stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

we need a big turnout for the november club elections!   we rarely have more than one person running for office.  should be fun.

as far as Brews with bvarc.  months ago i was one of the only ones to speak up with my feelings on the subject.

now that others are thinking about it and sharing their thoughts you cant say they are causing problems.  they are club members and they are allowed (encouraged) to share opinions.

if members sharing their views are considered problems then we should be very carefull who we vote for.

Eddie NU5K

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On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:10 AM, anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com> wrote:


As you say to me all the time ( you did not read all of my email). I said at the end of my last response that if you had any more questions or comments email me directly. I am not going to answer or say anything bad about the board on the reflector. As stated in my last response you can email me about the reason I left the board. I just want the club to enjoy the event and don't want club members to be causing problems about an event that both Kori and Mike put together.It's interesting that the problem goes away a few months, and a month later it's right back with more people causing problems. It's like somehow they were told about only the bad not any of the good. For a while there were no problems and now the past few months there is a problem with the event. I mentioned the club president (Mike), because he talked to Kori about the event and said, (go with it). So I don't understand how now he or other club members have a problem with the event.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:13 AM Eddie Runner <eddie.run...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    MY post isnt political and has nothing to do with elections,
    my concern was the appearance of the website...

    I wasnt mudslinging, I didnt even mention anyones name..
    I didnt see anyone mentioning names till you mentioned Mikes....

    You (Anthony) mentioned our president about 3 times..  (that is
    mud slinging)

    Why did you drop from the board when there is only a couple of
    months left
    on your board of directors term...  Your my buddy, I would do
    anything for you
    but I am calling you a cry baby.. probably related to Kori
    running against Mike.

    I guess  your buddy Kori is running against Mike for president
    this term..

    Mike has been a pretty damn good president for a very long time,
    he has
    always been there for our club when no one else has been..  When
    no one else
    will, Mikey is always there..  Club is huge, money in the bank,
    food at meetings,
    amazing hamfest,  thank you Mike !!!!

    Time for a change?  Sure, Maybe!

    Kori is very energetic and very popular in the club..   He is a
    pretty smart guy.
    and would likely make a good president ..  Will he be willing to
    put as much into
    BVARC as Mike does..??

    Time will tell.

    Eddie (NU5K)
    it is our club, speak your mind..



    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 08:17:45 PM CDT, anthony moro
    <w5li...@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have been thinking all day about this. I think this is a way of
    throwing mud during the elections. This is not fair to either
    side. So everyone knows I have left the board for this very sort
    of stuff. I think this club needs to stop being divided and think
    about what's best for the club. Acting like this about an event
    the club president allowed to happen is not what's best for the
    club. I think that we need to leave the name of the event
    alone and stop acting like everybody in the club doesn't drink at
    all. I say this and also tell y'all about my past. I was given
    probation for my third DWI. While on probation I found a great
    hobby, and all of yall have been great friends to me. I know that
    at least one person in the club has a few beers after work. There
    is nothing wrong with that. So saying that, we should leave this
    topic alone and think and look to the future of this club. If you
    feel the same way I feel then think real hard about what is
    really going on in the club and see how we as a club can pull
    together and put an end to this click kind of behavior. We should
    work together, not against each other. Just like some of yall
    dont get up for the 6:30am breakfast or leave work to go to the
    Lunch Bunch do the same with this event. If you don't have the
    time and would like to be with the family instead then don't go
    and keep your comments about an event the club president allowed
    to yourself. I am appalled with the behavior of some people that
    chose to act this way. I know yall are better than this. Now
    let's get back to having fun in this hobby as one of the largest
    clubs in texas, and show people what being a great HAM is about.
    If you have any questions or comments about what I said in this
    email, please email me directly. I am willing to talk to yall
    about how I feel about how the club members are acting about an
    event that has been going on for almost a year now. Also
    remember the club president allowed this event after talking to
    Kori the vice president before he became vice president.

    I am sorry if this sounded like I am venting. But I am just tired
    of all the mud slinging in the club.

    On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:22 PM Eddie Runner via BVARC
    <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

        You guys are finally paying attention!!
        I enjoyed  the BwBvarc the couple of times I went
        (fellowship), even though
        I am not a drinker...


        I complained when we started advertising it on the website as
        a BVARC sanctioned event...

        Being that we have always tried to put forward a welcoming
        face and tried to attract young
        folks and even children and parents to our club...

        No one paid any attention to me back then.

        PLUS, I am sure some of our members have or have had problems
        with booze....
        Some have had DUIs, some are recovering...!

        Some of you know my son,
        he has been a ham (since 10 years old) and is now 43yrs.. He
        has been an addict
        for many years.. Although I like to share with him ham radio
        things, like the hamfest  and so on.
        I would be afraid to even mention BwBVARC to him.

        I didn't go, but someone mentioned to me that the LAST
        BwBVARC had CBD beers
        which were noted with warnings that they could affect the
        outcome of a drug test.

        Glad you guys are finally paying attention!!

        Eddie Runner (NU5K)




        On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 01:06:47 PM CDT, JP Pritchard
        via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:


        Even if the club turns out to be protected from legal
        liability, I'm not sure we want our club name to be
        associated with a possible DUI traffic tragedy. Just a thought.
        JP, K5JPP
        On 10/09/2023 12:48 PM CDT Rick Hiller via BVARC
        <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
        The promoted title “Brews with BVARC” leans toward making it
        a de facto, sanctioned event, and this doesn't sit well with
        some folks.
        By W5RH.

        Sent from my i-Thingamajig

        On Oct 9, 2023, at 11:48 AM, N5LNK - Sean Linkenheimer via
        BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

        Philippe,

        Thank you I had no idea this was a concern for some. A few
        years back I was required to be certified with TABC for the
        The Katy Rice Harvest Festival. I am a Past Grand Knight
        and former District Deputy of the Knights of Columbus and
        our council 6950 served beer for the Rice Harvest Festival.
        Because our council was engaged in serving alcohol we had
        the responsibility to not serve patrons past the
        legal limit and were trained how to spot when someone was
        intoxicated. That being said, the Brews with BVARC event,
        although a gathering of members at an establishment that
        serves alcohol, is in no way the same as our club serving
        alcohol to members or the general public. I believe the
        club having a Brews with BVARC event in many ways is no
        different than any of the other membership gatherings;
        afterall it is about comradery. I have not read the clubs
        bylaws but if there was something governing this sort of
        gathering it would be found in the bylaws.

        73 de
        N5LNK - Sean

        On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 11:10 AM K5BOU via BVARC
        <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:

            In the past few weeks, I heard some members talk about
            the legal aspect of having events at the bar/brewery
            serving alcohol under the BVARC umbrella. Because of
            the nature of my job, working in the restaurant/Hotel
            industry, I have some contacts at TABC and ask who will
            be responsible if some members get intoxicated during a
            club event at the restaurant or bar. TABC clarifies
            that The restaurant/bar with TABC licenses that sells
            and serves alcohol to an intoxicated patron is
            responsible.

            I hope this helps.

            I hope you have a great week.

            K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont

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            *From:* BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> *On Behalf Of
            *Kori Rahman via BVARC
            *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2023 12:58 AM
            *To:* BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>
            *Cc:* Kori Rahman <kori...@gmail.com>
            *Subject:* [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday!

            Hello everyone!

            This is another reminder of our Brews with BVARC event
            coming up this Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pm. We will
            be at Holler Brewing Company in Houston. Please come
            out if you can. There's always great conversation and
            camaraderie out at these events, and we hope you can
            join us this time around. Give us a call on *146.520
            MHz FM Simplex* if you need directions when nearby or
            if you have trouble finding our table.

            Please check out their website (Hollerbeer.com
            <https://hollerbeer.com/>) to see their selection of
            beers and for information about their brewery. They
            promise to have "pop-up chefs" on-site every day so
            there should be an opportunity to grab some delicious
            food as well. As always, arrive when you can, be safe,
            be responsible, and let's have fun!

            *October Brews with BVARC:
            When:*
            Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pm
            *Where:*
            Holler Brewing Co.
            2206 Edwards St. Suite A
            Houston, TX 77007

            Hope to see you there! Thanks and 73!

            *Kori Rahman, WX5KR
            **Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club*

            *Vice-President and Club Call Sign KK5W Trustee**
            *Cell: (770) 298 8516

            kori...@gmail.com <mailto:kori...@gmail.com>

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