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> On Oct 10, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Rudolph Ackerman via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> > wrote: > > The best way to handle threads like this is "DELETE" :) > > Rudy Ackerman > KF5QYG > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:09:04 AM CDT, K5BOU via BVARC > <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I heard the board voted for this issue. And was decided to continue. What I > was trying in my first post was to bring a legal answer to this topic because > s, without knowing, the board had already voted and approved this event. > > I understand It isn't easy to please anyone and we need to accept the board's > decision; this topic is closed for me. > > > > > K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont > Houston|Texas|USA| > https://mccrarymeadowsweather.com/ > > #77940 > > From: BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> On Behalf Of Eddie Runner via BVARC > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 9:58 AM > To: Fox Danger Piacenti <kelke...@gmail.com> > Cc: Eddie Runner <eddie.run...@yahoo.com>; BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB > <bvarc@bvarc.org>; anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com>; K5BOU > <phili...@k5bou.net> > Subject: Re: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday! > > if you would read the posts thouroughly you might see i enjoyed the brews > events i have been to. > > as for my children. if you had read. my son is a 42 yr old ham who happens > to be an addict. > > the question isnt the event itself. hams can meet anywhere they want to. > some guys may meet to talk ham and smoke weed (and some do). dont care. > > issue to me is simply bvarcs sponsoring an adult only event. all events, > meetings and so on should be good for all members. > > Eddie > > > Sent from my iphone > > >> On Oct 10, 2023, at 9:51 AM, Fox Danger Piacenti <kelke...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Eddie. >> We are not exclusively an adult club, but that event is an exclusively adult >> event. I promise not to bring my children. I hope you will have the same >> courtesy not to bring yours. >> If the very existence of an adults-only event on a calendar for a club is >> enough to cause problems for children, their caretakers are failing them. >> Best, >> -Fox >>> On 10/10/23 09:48, Eddie Runner wrote: >>> but thats the problem you fail to see. we are not an ADULT club. !!! >>> >>> we work with schools. and boy scouts. we even offer a student membership. >>> and always encorage youngsters to and parents to discover and enjoy ham >>> radio. >>> >>> Eddie NU5K >>> Sent from my iphone >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 9:38 AM, K5BOU via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Fox, KW6FOX, well say! >>>> >>>> >>>> <image001.png> >>>> K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont >>>> Houston|Texas|USA| >>>> https://mccrarymeadowsweather.com/ >>>> <image002.png> >>>> <image003.png> >>>> <image004.png> >>>> #77940 >>>> >>>> From: BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> On Behalf Of Fox Danger Piacenti via >>>> BVARC >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 9:27 AM >>>> To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>; anthony moro >>>> <w5li...@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Fox Danger Piacenti <kelke...@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday! >>>> >>>> Hi, all. >>>> I'm a fairly new member of this club, having joined only a month or two >>>> ago. I went to last month's Brew's with BVARC event as my first intro >>>> event to the club. Seemed like a fun way to get to know some folks and >>>> have a good time. >>>> And it was exactly that. I loved getting to hang with club members and the >>>> offerings at the bar. I'm a bit confused from some of the correspondence >>>> here. Has anything actually happened that was a problem at these events or >>>> is this a lot of speculation about issues that *could* happen? I don't >>>> much patience for the latter. If it's the former, it's fair to discuss how >>>> to address the issue. If something happened that evening, it must have >>>> happened while I wasn't looking or after I left. >>>> I expect club members to be adults. I expect people to make their own >>>> decisions. I also am quite aware that sometimes people have difficulties >>>> with addiction and specific substances. >>>> We're a very large club. That leaves room for diversity of events. It also >>>> means we're more likely to have some members who aren't a good fit for >>>> events. But if we actually come across a member we discover is behaving >>>> irresponsibly at these get-togethers, I do expect those running them to >>>> intervene. Worrying about whose legal responsibility it is comes as a >>>> secondary concern (though still a concern!): I expect the event runners to >>>> address behavior problems and let people who can't behave themselves know >>>> they aren't allowed back. >>>> I'm telling everyone here as a new club member I found the event fun, I >>>> saw no irresponsible behavior and I had a great time meeting people and >>>> putting some faces to callsigns. I suggest anyone who doesn't like events >>>> at bars not come, and if they have particular concern about a members >>>> welfare if they were to attend, to let the event runner know about it. >>>> From there, we can judge actions. >>>> If anyone had a specific incident at the event that they felt was handled >>>> poorly and not addressed, I think that's important to bring up here. >>>> Otherwise I'd suggest people live and let live. >>>> Best, >>>> -Fox, KW6FOX >>>> On 10/10/23 08:59, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote: >>>>> oh i read your email. but i wanted my thoughts to go to the club. not >>>>> just you. >>>>> i usually try to get the membership involved. at least thier brains >>>>> thinking about some of the fun stuff that goes on behind the scenes. >>>>> >>>>> we need a big turnout for the november club elections! we rarely have >>>>> more than one person running for office. should be fun. >>>>> >>>>> as far as Brews with bvarc. months ago i was one of the only ones to >>>>> speak up with my feelings on the subject. >>>>> >>>>> now that others are thinking about it and sharing their thoughts you cant >>>>> say they are causing problems. they are club members and they are >>>>> allowed (encouraged) to share opinions. >>>>> >>>>> if members sharing their views are considered problems then we should be >>>>> very carefull who we vote for. >>>>> >>>>> Eddie NU5K >>>>> Sent from my iphone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:10 AM, anthony moro <w5li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As you say to me all the time ( you did not read all of my email). I >>>>>> said at the end of my last response that if you had any more questions >>>>>> or comments email me directly. I am not going to answer or say anything >>>>>> bad about the board on the reflector. As stated in my last response you >>>>>> can email me about the reason I left the board. I just want the club to >>>>>> enjoy the event and don't want club members to be causing problems about >>>>>> an event that both Kori and Mike put together.It's interesting that the >>>>>> problem goes away a few months, and a month later it's right back with >>>>>> more people causing problems. It's like somehow they were told about >>>>>> only the bad not any of the good. For a while there were no problems and >>>>>> now the past few months there is a problem with the event. I mentioned >>>>>> the club president (Mike), because he talked to Kori about the event and >>>>>> said, (go with it). So I don't understand how now he or other club >>>>>> members have a problem with the event. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:13 AM Eddie Runner <eddie.run...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> MY post isnt political and has nothing to do with elections, >>>>>>> my concern was the appearance of the website... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wasnt mudslinging, I didnt even mention anyones name.. >>>>>>> I didnt see anyone mentioning names till you mentioned Mikes.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You (Anthony) mentioned our president about 3 times.. (that is mud >>>>>>> slinging) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why did you drop from the board when there is only a couple of months >>>>>>> left >>>>>>> on your board of directors term... Your my buddy, I would do anything >>>>>>> for you >>>>>>> but I am calling you a cry baby.. probably related to Kori running >>>>>>> against Mike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess your buddy Kori is running against Mike for president this >>>>>>> term.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike has been a pretty damn good president for a very long time, he has >>>>>>> always been there for our club when no one else has been.. When no one >>>>>>> else >>>>>>> will, Mikey is always there.. Club is huge, money in the bank, food at >>>>>>> meetings, >>>>>>> amazing hamfest, thank you Mike !!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time for a change? Sure, Maybe! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kori is very energetic and very popular in the club.. He is a pretty >>>>>>> smart guy. >>>>>>> and would likely make a good president .. Will he be willing to put as >>>>>>> much into >>>>>>> BVARC as Mike does..?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time will tell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eddie (NU5K) >>>>>>> it is our club, speak your mind.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 08:17:45 PM CDT, anthony moro >>>>>>> <w5li...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been thinking all day about this. I think this is a way of >>>>>>> throwing mud during the elections. This is not fair to either side. So >>>>>>> everyone knows I have left the board for this very sort of stuff. I >>>>>>> think this club needs to stop being divided and think about what's best >>>>>>> for the club. Acting like this about an event the club president >>>>>>> allowed to happen is not what's best for the club. I think that we need >>>>>>> to leave the name of the event alone and stop acting like everybody in >>>>>>> the club doesn't drink at all. I say this and also tell y'all about my >>>>>>> past. I was given probation for my third DWI. While on probation I >>>>>>> found a great hobby, and all of yall have been great friends to me. I >>>>>>> know that at least one person in the club has a few beers after work. >>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with that. So saying that, we should leave this >>>>>>> topic alone and think and look to the future of this club. If you feel >>>>>>> the same way I feel then think real hard about what is really going on >>>>>>> in the club and see how we as a club can pull together and put an end >>>>>>> to this click kind of behavior. We should work together, not against >>>>>>> each other. Just like some of yall dont get up for the 6:30am breakfast >>>>>>> or leave work to go to the Lunch Bunch do the same with this event. If >>>>>>> you don't have the time and would like to be with the family instead >>>>>>> then don't go and keep your comments about an event the club president >>>>>>> allowed to yourself. I am appalled with the behavior of some people >>>>>>> that chose to act this way. I know yall are better than this. Now let's >>>>>>> get back to having fun in this hobby as one of the largest clubs in >>>>>>> texas, and show people what being a great HAM is about. If you have any >>>>>>> questions or comments about what I said in this email, please email me >>>>>>> directly. I am willing to talk to yall about how I feel about how the >>>>>>> club members are acting about an event that has been going on for >>>>>>> almost a year now. Also remember the club president allowed this event >>>>>>> after talking to Kori the vice president before he became vice >>>>>>> president. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sorry if this sounded like I am venting. But I am just tired of >>>>>>> all the mud slinging in the club. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:22 PM Eddie Runner via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> You guys are finally paying attention!! >>>>>>>> I enjoyed the BwBvarc the couple of times I went (fellowship), even >>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>> I am not a drinker... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I complained when we started advertising it on the website as a BVARC >>>>>>>> sanctioned event... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Being that we have always tried to put forward a welcoming face and >>>>>>>> tried to attract young >>>>>>>> folks and even children and parents to our club... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No one paid any attention to me back then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PLUS, I am sure some of our members have or have had problems with >>>>>>>> booze.... >>>>>>>> Some have had DUIs, some are recovering...! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of you know my son, >>>>>>>> he has been a ham (since 10 years old) and is now 43yrs.. He has been >>>>>>>> an addict >>>>>>>> for many years.. Although I like to share with him ham radio things, >>>>>>>> like the hamfest and so on. >>>>>>>> I would be afraid to even mention BwBVARC to him. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't go, but someone mentioned to me that the LAST BwBVARC had CBD >>>>>>>> beers >>>>>>>> which were noted with warnings that they could affect the outcome of a >>>>>>>> drug test. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad you guys are finally paying attention!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eddie Runner (NU5K) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 01:06:47 PM CDT, JP Pritchard via BVARC >>>>>>>> <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if the club turns out to be protected from legal liability, I'm >>>>>>>> not sure we want our club name to be associated with a possible DUI >>>>>>>> traffic tragedy. Just a thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JP, K5JPP >>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2023 12:48 PM CDT Rick Hiller via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The promoted title “Brews with BVARC” leans toward making it a de >>>>>>>>> facto, sanctioned event, and this doesn't sit well with some folks. >>>>>>>>> By W5RH. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my i-Thingamajig >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 11:48 AM, N5LNK - Sean Linkenheimer via BVARC >>>>>>>>>> <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Philippe, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you I had no idea this was a concern for some. A few years >>>>>>>>>> back I was required to be certified with TABC for the The Katy Rice >>>>>>>>>> Harvest Festival. I am a Past Grand Knight and former District >>>>>>>>>> Deputy of the Knights of Columbus and our council 6950 served beer >>>>>>>>>> for the Rice Harvest Festival. Because our council was engaged in >>>>>>>>>> serving alcohol we had the responsibility to not serve patrons past >>>>>>>>>> the legal limit and were trained how to spot when someone was >>>>>>>>>> intoxicated. That being said, the Brews with BVARC event, although a >>>>>>>>>> gathering of members at an establishment that serves alcohol, is in >>>>>>>>>> no way the same as our club serving alcohol to members or the >>>>>>>>>> general public. I believe the club having a Brews with BVARC event >>>>>>>>>> in many ways is no different than any of the other membership >>>>>>>>>> gatherings; afterall it is about comradery. I have not read the >>>>>>>>>> clubs bylaws but if there was something governing this sort of >>>>>>>>>> gathering it would be found in the bylaws. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 de >>>>>>>>>> N5LNK - Sean >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 11:10 AM K5BOU via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In the past few weeks, I heard some members talk about the legal >>>>>>>>>>> aspect of having events at the bar/brewery serving alcohol under >>>>>>>>>>> the BVARC umbrella. Because of the nature of my job, working in the >>>>>>>>>>> restaurant/Hotel industry, I have some contacts at TABC and ask who >>>>>>>>>>> will be responsible if some members get intoxicated during a club >>>>>>>>>>> event at the restaurant or bar. TABC clarifies that The >>>>>>>>>>> restaurant/bar with TABC licenses that sells and serves alcohol to >>>>>>>>>>> an intoxicated patron is responsible. >>>>>>>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>>> I hope you have a great week. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont >>>>>>>>>>> Houston|Texas|USA| >>>>>>>>>>> https://mccrarymeadowsweather.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> #77940 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: BVARC <bvarc-boun...@bvarc.org> On Behalf Of Kori Rahman via >>>>>>>>>>> BVARCSent: Monday, October 9, 2023 12:58 AMTo: BRAZOS VALLEY >>>>>>>>>>> AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <bvarc@bvarc.org>Cc: Kori Rahman >>>>>>>>>>> <kori...@gmail.com>Subject: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is another reminder of our Brews with BVARC event coming up >>>>>>>>>>> this Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pm. We will be at Holler Brewing >>>>>>>>>>> Company in Houston. Please come out if you can. There's always >>>>>>>>>>> great conversation and camaraderie out at these events, and we hope >>>>>>>>>>> you can join us this time around. Give us a call on 146.520 MHz FM >>>>>>>>>>> Simplex if you need directions when nearby or if you have trouble >>>>>>>>>>> finding our table. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please check out their website (Hollerbeer.com) to see their >>>>>>>>>>> selection of beers and for information about their brewery. They >>>>>>>>>>> promise to have "pop-up chefs" on-site every day so there should be >>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity to grab some delicious food as well. As always, >>>>>>>>>>> arrive when you can, be safe, be responsible, and let's have fun! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> October Brews with BVARC: >>>>>>>>>>> When:Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pmWhere:Holler Brewing Co.2206 >>>>>>>>>>> Edwards St. Suite AHouston, TX 77007 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope to see you there! Thanks and 73! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kori Rahman, WX5KR >>>>>>>>>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>>>>>>>>> Vice-President and Club Call Sign KK5W Trustee >>>>>>>>>>> Cell: (770) 298 8516 >>>>>>>>>>> kori...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________ Brazos Valley >>>>>>>>>>> Amateur Radio Club BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Publicly >>>>>>>>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________ Brazos Valley >>>>>>>>>> Amateur Radio Club BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Publicly >>>>>>>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________ Brazos Valley >>>>>>>>> Amateur Radio Club BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org >>>>>>>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org Publicly >>>>>>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>>>>>> ________________________________________________Brazos Valley Amateur >>>>>>>> Radio ClubBVARC mailing >>>>>>>> listBVARC@bvarc.orghttp://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.orgPublicly >>>>>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>>>>>> ________________________________________________Brazos Valley Amateur >>>>>>>> Radio ClubBVARC mailing >>>>>>>> listBVARC@bvarc.orghttp://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.orgPublicly >>>>>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Anthony Morones >>>>>>> W5LIC >>>>>>> w5li...@gmail.com >>>>>>> 713-410-3948 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Anthony Morones >>>>>> W5LIC >>>>>> w5li...@gmail.com >>>>>> 713-410-3948 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________________Brazos Valley Amateur >>>>> Radio Club BVARC mailing >>>>> listBVARC@bvarc.orghttp://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.orgPublicly >>>>> available archives are available here: >>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ >>>> ________________________________________________ >>>> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >>>> >>>> BVARC mailing list >>>> BVARC@bvarc.org >>>> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >>>> Publicly available archives are available here: >>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ > > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org > Publicly available archives are available here: > https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/
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