Hi Nigel, > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2009 1:13 AM > To: builds@apache.org; Gavin > Cc: infrastruct...@apache.org > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > Gavin, I really appreciate what you've done to setup builds@ and > build.html. I think these are 2 steps that are very helpful to the > Apache community. It has been very confusing for projects on where/ > how to get automated builds up and running and I think these steps > greatly improve that situation. Your activity here has propelled us > to file INFRA-2015 to simplify Hudson's URL. > > Over the past 2.5 years of running Hudson (first on lucene.zones and > then centralizing on hudson.zones), there have been a number of > frustrating issues I've had to work through to get the resources we > needed for Hudson. Now, I simply want projects to understand the > options they have available. > > I apologize that I haven't been reading infra@ very closely over the > past couple months and could have weighed in sooner with the > suggestion that buildbot follow the hudson and continuum naming > convention. Given you've now got ci.apache.org, I thought we agreed a > couple weeks ago that the top level index.html would simply provide a > pointer to the 3 build solutions. It wasn't clear why there was a > change in that plan. Perhaps that's less important now that you've > created build.html.
Yeah, some suggestions that were made and what infra ultimately suggested we do were slightly different though do-able. I have now made a couple more changes that hopefully will make it easier for all. I have now created the top level index (landing page) for all build solutions at http://ci.apache.org - so we are all now listed there. In addition - and this is optional given that ci.apache.org site is on ceres one of the build machines - I also created convenience URL redirects for both Hudson and Continuum. So if you wanted to use http://ci.apache.org/hudson/ you can and it redirects to Hudson.zones.a.o. If you wanted to specify http://ci.apache.org/hudson/view/cfx you can and it will redirect accordingly , etc etc. Same goes for http://ci.apache.org/continuum/ redirects to http://vmbuild.apache.org/continuum/groupSummary.action etc etc. This now makes the new /dev/builds.html page void so I will remove that soon. HTH Gav... > > Thanks, > Nige > > > On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:28 AM, Gavin wrote: > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 3:23 PM > >> To: Gavin > >> Cc: builds@apache.org; infrastruct...@apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > >> > >> > >> On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > >>>> Behalf Of > >>>> Bertrand Delacretaz > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > >>>> To: builds@apache.org > >>>> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin <ga...@16degrees.com.au> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > >>>>>> .... Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > >>>>>> points to > >>>> the > >>>>>> 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and > >>>> Hudson? > >>>>> > >>>>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back > >>>>> whilst > >>>> testing > >>>>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > >>>>> about. It > >>>>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion.... > >>>> > >>>> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > >>>> -Bertrand > >>> > >>> Yep good plan. > >>> > >>> A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > >>> ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > >>> belonging to > >>> the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to > >>> another > >>> domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage > >>> or the > >>> main builds area (landing page?). > >>> > >>> So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > >>> IRC that > >>> builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > >>> > >>> If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > >>> that up > >>> for us? (cc:d) > >>> > >>> Gav... > >> > >> Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. > > > > You're a little behind, please see the mail entitled 'New landing > > page' - we > > didn't go with builds.apache.org either. > > > >> Not sure why you didn't go with > >> buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over > >> reaching. > > > > What planet are you on? This isn't a competition. Everything I do > > around > > here you question with disdain, you continually angle at getting me to > > advertise Hudson wherever possible. > > > > ci.apache.org was chosen as buildbot.apache.org was rejected by > > other infra > > members as being to specific. ci.apache.org was someone else's idea. > > So it > > was enabled and I happily started setting up buildbot to use it. > > > > Then I though it would be a good idea to create a mailing list where > > folks > > could talk about buildbot and its services etc basically so I didn't > > have to > > join 200+ dev lists. Someone then said why not make it a list for > > all build > > services, so we did that. > > > > You then wanted a landing page area that people could go to to > > 'choose' > > between which build service they want, and you wanted to use > > ci.apache.org > > for it that buildbot was already using and was advertised as such, I > > offered > > builds.apache.org as an alternative, others in infra thought that > > creating > > new subdomain for one page was too much (you could call it 'a little > > over > > reaching') so I created a page called http://apache.org/dev/ > > builds.html > > (after ci.html was also rejected) - and I asked you to edit your > > section to > > suit which you have yet to do. > > > > Note that I am here for Buildbot, but I have bent over backwards to > > accommodate your moaning about Hudson. You haven't asked Continuum > > or Gump > > to advertise 'your' Hudson on their pages so why are you picking on > > me. I've > > helped everyone by creating a landing page, by getting this mail > > list set > > up, with the aim that every project can make use of for whichever > > build > > service they want to use, and you're still not happy. Where are your > > commits, what have you done? > > > > No doubt I'll regret hitting send here but heck, doing all this > > volunteer > > work only to get shot at every turn is getting to me. > > > > Gav... > > > >> > >> Nige > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: > >> 4/22/2009 > >> 8:49 AM > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
