--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  Steve Sloan II wrote:
> 
> > The Fool wrote:
> > 
> >  > > Let's see India, China, or Russia belly up to the bar and
> >  > > pay their fair share of the hundreds-of-billions of dollars
> >  > > per year being stolen from the US Taxpayer to make
> >  > > outsourcing possible.
> > 
> > ritu wrote:
> > 
> >  > What does 'belly up to the bar' mean?
> > 
> >  From context, I think it means going to the bar and paying for
> > your drinks -- in other words, paying up.
> 
> Thanks for the explanation, Steve. :)
> 
> So India and China are supposed to responsible for the decisions 
of the
> US companies...else they would not have a 'share' to pay up...just
> imagine that. Never knew we had that kind of an influence. ;)
> 
> >  > And I am not sure what you mean by the rest of the sentence
> >  > after that phrase either. Could you please elaborate?
> > 
> > He's claiming that US taxpayers pay hundreds of billions of 
dollars
> > a year to support the US military, which is necessary to keep 
world
> > politics stable. Without that stability, outsourcing would not be
> > possible. So, he's claiming that US citizens pay taxes to 
eliminate
> > their own jobs, while citizens of China and India benefit for 
free.
> 
> I wonder if s/he wants India and China to pay for the US military's
> upkeep...Given the US role in the region's politics, that would be 
an
> interesting proposal to float. I can just see a couple of billion 
people
> rendered apoplectic. :)
> 
> Ritu

Ritu, your mising the rest of the story.

American companies get billions and billions of dollars a year in 
tax reliefe (that's money that the US taxpayer has to make up). They 
get this reliefe supposedly becouse it's supposed to help them 
create jobs for americans.

The American worker is starting to feel that they are getting taxed 
so that jobs can be created in Indea etc. We have nothing against 
the Indean worker, it's just that we pay our taxes an work in our 
country for ~our~ country, not so we can subsidize job groth 
elsewhere, and especialy when that job growth is at the expense of 
jobs here at home.

It may sem aufuly uncaring and not a small amount nationalistic, but 
still, you can only keep asking what you can do for your country for 
so long, without your country doing something for you. When it's all 
take and no, give, then what's the point? 

We have had this discussion befor. This isn't about free markets. If 
it was a free market, then it woud be about hiering the most 
qualified worker, well, the most economicaly qualified worker. Every 
worker woulod be free to apply for every job. But that is not the 
case here. It's not like Indea will allow any joe shmoe to move to 
Bangalore and start applying for the job he use to have in San Jose. 
It's also not like the Indian worker is being aforded all the rights 
the american would be acusdomed to, even if he could move and apply.

And you will have to pardon the american worker if he or she feels a 
little like his financial well being is being stolen. What is more, 
it's not just our economy, it's our very way of life. Indea may not 
be to blame, but that is really hard to tell someone who has been 
shoved out on the streets. And what is more, it may be out leaders 
who are to blame, but I'm sorry, fixing that problem, is still going 
to take it all back.

Personaly I am a little tired of the Republican party pretending to 
be the most ficaly sound. If that is so, then why does everyone  
(except the very wealthy americans) allways seem to do well when we 
have a democratic president, but everyone looses their jobs and is 
out of work when we have a Republican.



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