--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew Crystall wrote:
> 
> > I was scientically trained and it didn't affect my
> religious beliefs one bit.
> 
> Yes, many of the ~40% I have met are like that.
> Those I have
> discussed it with seem to keep their mind
> compartmentalized, with the
> rational/scientific part in charge most of the time,
> but they keep the
> irrational/religious part going in parallel,
> although usually not in
> dominance. In several of the cases, it seems likely
> this behavior was
> due to religious brainwashing when they were young
> and impressionable,
> and they never quite manage to expunge it, so it
> just gets pushed into a corner.

<grin>  So non-condescending of you...

<serious>  What about Chad's thought that there might
be 'spirituality gene(s)'?  I can see how that might
have a survival advantage in small, close groups.

How many here who consider themselves religious,
spiritual, or otherwise somehow connected to the
Divine have had that feeling of "universal
connectedness" or "sacred presence" (drug experiences
disqualified in my book) -- and how many here who
consider themselves atheist or agnostic (or
indifferent) have had such a feeling/sense?

Is the sensation of "wonder" or "true awe" akin to
"universal connectedness?"  What evolutionary purpose
does "wonder" serve?  (Anger, fear and love all have
clear survival advantages.)  Is this related at all to
how some people have sensitve music-evoked
emotions/states?  Or to empathy?

Debbi
who has had moments of absolute wonder and of profound
"universal connectedness" (no visions, voices or
anything hallucinatory); no typical time of day or
situation, although more have occurred outdoors than
in, began at least by age 5 (Oh, because it almost
crosses over into prairie dog thread, I'll relate that
one day in kindergarten I was delighted to discover
gophers in the schoolyard: how cute, how clever with
their quick dartings and the way they watched right
back, how marvelous that they *built homes
underground,* had families...how akin yet different we
were, eying each other under the bright Califoria sun,
me crouched on my "Charlie Browns,#" the gopher
head&shoulders out of its dark hole.)

#saddle oxford shoes

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