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From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: France's influence



-------Original Message-------
From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As the leaders of the "contain the US alliance?"  The only democracy that I
know of that favors attacking Iraq without a new specific Security Council
resolution authorizing it explicitly is the US.  After we go in, probably
without GB, this will be a significant force.  Rightly or wrongly,
many/most people will consider an unconstrained US as the biggest risk to
themselves.
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I don't think that France is going to find too many people in the "contain
US alliance."

>According to recent reports, there are currently 47 nations in the
"coalition of the willing", who are providing >material support.
Unfortunately, I have not seen a listing of these nations anywhere (and
I've looked), but it >seems that the number may be inflated slightly.

I was talking about the opinion of people.  In a January Gallup poll, the
last one I could find, the numbers were:


                          NO  UN  Yes     ?
ARGENTINA     83     4     3     10
BOLIVIA          62     25     9     4
CANADA         36     46     10     8
COLOMBIA     54     25     15     6
ECUADOR       56     19     3     22
URUGUAY       79     10     9     2
USA                  21     34     33     12
AUSTRALIA     27     56     12     5
HONG  KONG 47     41     8     4
INDIA               59     29     8     4
MALAYSIA     45     12     3     40
NEW ZEALAND    32     52     8     8
PAKISTAN      60     16     3     21
CAMEROON  49     38     9     4
NIGERIA         51     35     10     4
KENYA          52     28     17     3
SOUTH  AFRICA    63     20     9     8
UGANDA       44     27     20     9
DENMARK     45     38     10     7
FINLAND       44     37     6     13
FRANCE        60     27     7     6
GERMANY    50     39     9     2
IRELAND      39     50     8     3
LUXEMBOURG     59     34     5     2
NETHERLANDS     38     51     7     4
PORTUGAL     53     29     10     8
SPAIN              74     13     4     9
UK - North Ireland     41     39     10     10
ICELAND        49     36     7     8
SWITZERLAND     45     45     5     5
ALBANIA        53     36     7     4
BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA     75     16     9     0
BULGARIA     59     28     5     8
ESTONIA        64     20     9     7
GEORGIA        69     18     9     4
MACEDONIA  76     13     4     7
ROMANIA       42     38     11     9
RUSSIA            59     23     7     11
YUGOSLAVIA   3     20     8     69


The US numbers have shifted towards going in without the UN, but the trend
polls that I have seen in other countries have indicated a firming up of
the opinion that they will approve of a war only with a UN mandate. I know
that Gautam is fairly optimistic that a quick US victory will change
opinions.  I'm not so sanguine.  I can see Tony Blair  having to back off
involvement in the war because he could lose his job if he forces the
issue.  I can see the Spanish government falling too if they support us too
strongly.  I think France is playing this possibility for all its worth.

Dan M.


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