--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just because you say he would have talked does not
> mean that this is true. Some people don't because
> they are fearless and committed. Do not mistake
> courage for morality. He is convinced he is morally
> correct and this could have given him courage. As
> for caring about what the rest of the world thinks -
> well this sounds like classic Bush to me. For my
> part I think we should care about the rest of the
> world for completely selfish reasons. We need the
> rest of the world to buy our stuff. Although we are
> the most powerful nation in the world we can be
> brought down by own hubris. We would not be the
> first superpower to perish in this way and in fact
> all past superpowers have diminished in this way. I
> much prefer an approach that attempts to get a
> consensus or at least an agreement to allow us to do
> what we need to do. Bush 1 certaintly did with the
> gulf war. Baker went all over the world building a
> consensus. Bush 2 says we don'dt need one. I prefer
> George 1 and Bill C's approach. 

Everybody talks eventually.  Even if he hadn't,
though, he _would have been dead_.  This would have
been a net positive, in my opinion.  And, I think, in
most other peoples.  You are defending the
indefensible, Bob.  I am in favor of caring about what
the rest of the world thinks, in general.  If the rest
of the world disapproves of us doing what every other
country would do in that situation - killing him out
of hand - then screw 'em.  It's not worth 3000 lives,
and it's sure as hell not worth a nuclear weapon going
off in Manhattan.  We're just lucky that isn't what
happened.

In actual fact, though, if Sudan had handed him over
secretly - which he would have done - the world would
not have cared.  The only government in the world that
actually supported him was Afghanistan, and maybe
Iraq, and neither was willing to admit it.  Everyone
in the world agreed that he was a terrorist.  No one
doubted it.  And you think there would have been some
sort of mass outrage if we had shot him?  Be serious,
for goodness sake.  The only governments who would
have cared would be those people who applauded it. 
The people who might get upset - the average Arab, as
it were - they're not our friends.  They wouldn't like
us if we shot him.  They wouldn't like us if we
didn't.  But if we had killed him, they probably would
_respect_ us, something that they don't really do
right now.  And sure as hell 9/11 wouldn't have
happened.  This was the single biggest foreign policy
mistake in American history.  It was simply
inexcusable, and it is entirely indefensible.

Gautam


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