--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Let me start with the first WTC bombing about which
> Clinton did nothing. Well we caught the guys who did
> it. What were we to do next?

They didn't act alone.  They were supported by Bin
Laden, among many others.  We should have been a _lot_
more aggressive in going after their sources of
support.

You conveniently ignore the multiple other gestures of
weakness made by the Administration.  Nothing after
the Cole.  Nothing after Khobar Towers.  Virtually
nothing after an attempted assassination on
ex-President Bush.  A pinprick cruise missile launch
on a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan.  A handful of
trivial bombing raids in Iraq.  If Clinton had had the
fortitude to continue Desert Fox for another few weeks
at least some people think Hussein would have fallen
then.  I don't have access to that evidence to
evaluate it, but he didn't even _try_, which tells you
something.

> > We had enough evidence to know that he was
> launching
> > terrorist attacks against the United States, and
> was
> > planning on doing so again.  We should, of course,
> > have had Sudan hand him over, interrogated him,
> found
> > out everything he knew about his organization, and
> > killed him. 

> Of course being a cowardly terrorist he would have
> admitted everything. The rest of the world would
> have said he is obviously planning something truly
> massive so we can understand you playing fast and
> lose with international law. We all know that
> Arafats refusal to accept an agreement brokered by
> Clinton that would have made peace possible would
> inevitably lead to an upswelling of anti-americanism
> in the arab "street" We all could see the coming of
> suicide bombings it was so obvious. So obvisous that
> the Bush administration took extraudinary efforts
> during it initial months to bring about peace in
> Israel.

He would, eventually, have admitted everything,
certainly.  I didn't suggest reading him his rights. 
If we couldn't get information out of him, well, the
Israelis or the Egyptians could.  We _did_ all know
that Bin Laden was an international terrorist at the
time - he was, as I recall, on the freaking cover of
Newsweek well before 9/11, so it wasn't exactly a
secret.  As for the rest of the world - who cares? 
Whether the rest of the world would even have _known_
is, at best, doubtful.  Even if they did (and there's
an argument to be made that it would be _better_ that
they did) the only people who would have gotten very
upset with us about Bin Laden - well, they wouldn't
like us much no matter what we did.  If someone is out
there killing Americans - and he was - and the rest of
the world object to us stopping them, that isn't an
argument to allow someone to keep killing Americans.

As for the other stuff - Bush didn't try to get Israel
to commit suicide, no, the only thing which could have
placated the Palestinians.  You're okay with that, I'm
guessing.  The rest of it - while the suicide bombers
concern me, they're not killing Americans.  Bin Laden
was.  So the rest of your stuff has nothing to do with
nothing.

>  Better _before_ 9/11 than after it,
> > because 9/11 was an inevitability as long as he
> was
> > free.  The fact that it happened didn't surprise
> > anyone I knew in the field - in fact, as Graham
> > Allison said a few days later, in a real sense we
> were
> > very lucky.  
> And of course it was obvious to the Bush
> administration before 9/11 because they made it a
> priority to boost anti-terrorism funding immediately
> upon entering office rather than cutting same. As I
> remember it was right behind putting more arsenic
> into our water supply.

Bob, get a grip.  You know I like you, so I'm not
saying this lightly.  To go - very briefly - over the
arsenic thing, the Bush Administration decided to
_review_ a decision by the Clinton Administration to
_decrease_ acceptable levels of arsenic below current
levels, a decision that had very questionable public
health benefits and imposed extremely high costs on
some parts of the country.  Just because you don't
live in Arizona it is not, in fact, unimportant.  How,
exactly, is that "putting more arsenic into our water
supply"?  Unless Terry McAuliffe is paying you, that's
abusrd.  Even then it's absurd, but that's what I'd
expect from the DNC, not from someone having a serious
discussion.  Frantically defending every last folly
and idiocy of the Clinton Administration while
attacking the Bush Administration on, well, fictional,
grounds doesn't exactly make for a discourse.

As for the Bush focus on anti-terrorism - one of the
profound ironies of the situation (among many) is that
Bush had ordered the development of a plan to engage
Al Qaeda far more aggressively.  It was scheduled to
be delivered to the White House - on September 12,
2001.

I have, on various occasions, praised elements of the
Clinton Administration's foreign policy on this list. 
I agreed with them with regards to North Korea, for
example.  I was wrong (as were they) but their
decision was, given what everyone knew at the time,
understandable.  I have written fairly extensively on
the brilliance of their foreign economic policy which
was, under Rubin and later Summers, nothing short of
astonishing.  But Clinton's policy with regards to
terrorism was feckless, and betrayed the fact that he
was fundamentally unfit to be President.  It never
seems to have occurred to him that when someone is
trying to kill large numbers of Americans, sitting on
your hands waiting for a warrant wasn't the best
approach.  You go to war.  This was a group of people
who, through some combination of irresolution,
irresponsibility, and a fundamentally flawed view of
the world, raised foreign policy incompetence to
something that looks sort of like performance art.

Gautam

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