On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:04:40PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 12:04, Leo Simons wrote:
...
> I don't know exactly when it will be released, but Continuum is
> functioning and Bob and I are working on getting it finished. A CI tool
> that uses Plexus, Maven, Summit and an SCM toolkit I've been working on.
> 
> > 3) 'compatible' with forrest
> 
> If you mean the markup that could certainly be accommodated.

What I'd really like to see is both projects converge on using the same
XML format.  Maven's current format is perilously close to XHTML 2 [1], which
is where Forrest is also heading [2,3].

> If you're going to use Maven I think there is almost zero value in
> using Forrest.

For 90% of users, yes.  I see Forrest as a 'heavy lifting' (SVG
processing, graphing, PDF generation, multi-transformation processing)
compared to the Maven's xdoc plugin.  Forrest will evolve to handle Maven
xdocs/ layouts if it wants to get anywhere.

> You'll either be double processing the docs generated by Maven, Forrest
> is slow

Horribly slow, and getting slower ;(  OTOH, launch the Forrest webapp and
edit in realtime, and you've got an editing turnaround that *nothing*
that involves a JVM bootup can match.

That's where I'm interested in Continuum.. would it be possible to have
large, heavy processes like Cocoon continually in-memory, listening for
startup/shutdown commands?

Probably you've seen, but Jelly scripts can now can be invoked through an
Avalon service [4].

> and everyone who wants to contributing to the site will have to
> install Forrest which was not a fun exercise for me the other day as I
> wanted to see what it could do.

Getting Forrest running should be a matter of typing './build.sh', adding
build/dist/shbat/bin/ to the PATH, then typing 'forrest seed ; forrest'
in a clean directory.  If you had any problems we're interested in
solving them.  Forrest 0.3 has just be released btw.  You can see a bunch
of projects building at http://forrestbot.cocoondev.org/.

I'll add jakarta-avalon-site and ws-site just as soon as I've got skin
selection working.

--Jeff


[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/
[2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=102909917505608&w=2
[3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=104351979527689&w=2
[4] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-dev&m=104325157107214&w=2

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