Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Stephen McConnell wrote: ...First of all - I would love to be able to see a comparison.
Then let's hold off for now. I want to be clear on this: I don't care what build tool we choose in the end, but I want to see a fair comparison. Fair in the conditions I mean, then everyone can decide as he wants. Decisions based on emotions, especially technical ones, are never good.
Sounds fine.
Can you point me to a Java project at Apache using Centipede for project management?
Jakarta POI is in the progress of conversion to the new centipede. I'll tell you when it's "ready" to evaluate.
OK
In the meantime, Jeff and I and many others are more than capable of fixing any Ant problem we may have. I'm having difficulty in partecipating actively in these days, but I'll be responsive on specific questions and needs.
Secondly, I don't want to see Jason's 20 POMs committed (they a minimal and don't address thinigs like test cases and some of the annomolies in some of the Avalon projects).
Ok, from the mails it seems that you are not the only one, although it confuses me a bit since you propose to use Maven...
Let me clear up the confusion. Based on my internal usage of Maven I feel that even in its beta and evolving state, it provides a better platform for release management than what we have now. I also think that we would need time to play and get things like a project strategy into place. Jason's 20 POMs are basically minimal - and somewhat out of date. I have a number of projects that I have build up project descriptors with full support for site generation, testing, releasing, etc. Its based on that work that I'm feeling good about Maven. I also have problems with Maven - things like manifest files that look unworkable - and the royal pain when things don't work. I also don't like the absence of a roadmap of a schedule concerning Maven releases. I don't like the fact that as soon as you deal with anything non-classic in structure, you really need to rollover to 0.8.
Aside from all of my complaints, its my impression that Maven today is better that what we have today (Ant + Avalon specifics).
anyway, it seems that the result is to go with Ant till stable releases.
This means that we need to find a way of comparing Maven and Centipede... should we enable multiple build tools in sandbox to see how they work? I think it's in the best interest of all.
Let's bring it up again after the release process is done. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.osm.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
