Speaking as WG chair, I find the changes to be acceptable, and deem that they do not impact the WG consensus to go forward with the document.

Harald

On 1/17/25 04:10, Sandy Ginoza wrote:
Hi Murray,

Would you please review the changes in the AUTH48 diff and let us know if you 
approve?  They are likely ok, but I’d prefer to err on the side of caution.

AUTH48 diffs (highlights recent updates):
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-auth48diff.html
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side)
Thanks,
RFC Editor/sg



On Jan 16, 2025, at 7:06 PM, Sandy Ginoza <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> wrote:

Hi Yeshwant, Chris,

Thank you for your review and for updating the XML.  We have updated the 
document - thank you for your explanations.  Note that we updated the new 
references to reflect accurate title information and include additional author 
or organization information, as needed.  Please review the current files and 
let us know if additional updates are needed or if you approve the RFC for 
publication.
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695.xml
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695.txt
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695.pdf
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695.html

AUTH48 diffs (highlights recent updates):
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-auth48diff.html
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side)

Comprehensive diffs:
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-diff.html
   https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9695-rfcdiff.html (side by side)

Thank you,
RFC Editor/sg



On Jan 15, 2025, at 9:21 AM, Yeshwant Muthusamy <yeshw...@yeshvik.com> wrote:

Sandy,

Please let me know if there is anything else needed from the authors (Chris and 
me). We are done with our changes/comments. You should have the revised XML 
file that I sent in the previous email.

Thanks,
Yeshwant


Yeshwant Muthusamy, Ph.D.
Owner and Principal
Yeshvik Solutions, LLC
www.yeshvik.com
+1 469-854-9836
yeshw...@yeshvik.com



On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 3:17 PM Yeshwant Muthusamy <yeshw...@yeshvik.com> wrote:
Sandy, Others,

Attached please find the XML source with the authors' comments and changes, in 
response to the comments marked [rfced] by the RFC Editors.

FWIW, we've also included the revised output files (.txt and .html), generated 
using xml2rfc -v3, reflecting all the changes made (with the exception of the 
deleting the Terminology section - we have left that for the Editors).

Authors' responses/comments/notes are clearly marked within the comment 
sections in the attached XML document. Examples: [AUTHORS' RESPONSE], [AUTHORS' 
NOTE], etc.

Please let me know if something is unclear or if we have missed something.

Thanks for your patience.

Yeshwant



Yeshwant Muthusamy, Ph.D.
Owner and Principal
Yeshvik Solutions, LLC
www.yeshvik.com
+1 469-854-9836
yeshw...@yeshvik.com



On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 1:03 PM Sandy Ginoza <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> 
wrote:
Hi Yeshwant,

We will wait to hear from you and Chris - thank you for the update.

Thank you,
RFC Editor/sg

On Jan 10, 2025, at 10:55 AM, Yeshwant Muthusamy <yeshw...@yeshvik.com> wrote:

Sandy,

I completed my changes/revisions based on the Editors' comments. I have sent 
them to my co-author, Chris Ullrich, for his review and additions, if any (as 
we are not in the same location). I hope to hear back from Chris today. We will 
get back to you as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience.

Yeshwant



Yeshwant Muthusamy, Ph.D.
Owner and Principal
Yeshvik Solutions, LLC
www.yeshvik.com
+1 469-854-9836
yeshw...@yeshvik.com



On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 12:51 PM Sandy Ginoza <sgin...@staff.rfc-editor.org> 
wrote:
Authors,

We do not believe we have heard from you regarding the questions below.  Please 
let us know how we may resolve the items listed below.

Thank you,
RFC Editor/sg

On Dec 23, 2024, at 11:12 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:

Authors,

While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary)
the following questions, which are also in the XML file.

1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->


2) <!-- [rfced] We do believe the capitalized keywords are used in the RFC.
Please review and let us know if any of the capitalized keywords should be
used.  Otherwise, we will remove the Terminology section and related
references.

Original:
1.1.  Terminology

  The keywords MUST, MUST NOT, REQUIRED, SHALL, SHALL NOT,
  SHOULD,SHOULD NOT, RECOMMENDED, NOT RECOMMENDED, MAY, and OPTIONAL in
  this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC2119]
  [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown
  here.

-->


3) <!-- [rfced] Would you like to include references for the sales data
listed?

Original:
  *  iPhone (206+ million units sold in 2020): native support for
     haptic encoded data

  *  Android (1.38+ billion units sold in 2020): API support of haptic
     buffers

  *  W3C (HTML vibration API [W3C-Vibration]): Optionally supported in
     mobile web browsers.  W3C has also defined vibration extensions
     for gamepads [W3C-Gamepad]

  *  Game consoles (39+ million units sold in 2019): MS Xbox, Sony
     PlayStation, Nintendo Switch, etc.

  *  XR devices (9+ million units sold in 2019): OpenXR haptic API
-->


4) <!-- [rfced] May we expand CE as Customer Edge?

Original:
  Since they represent the majority of CE devices, a strong
  case can be made for 'haptics' as a top-level media type.
-->


5) <!-- [rfced] The text indicates the subtypes have not been
registered by IANA, but ivs is being registered by this document.  Please
consider whether updates are needed.  Is it correct that ivs is the only
type mentioned in Section 2.5 being registered at this time?
Note: likely different, but we see ogg has been registered as an
application subtype (see 
https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/ogg).

Original:
  While these subtypes have *not* been registered with IANA or
  standardized (yet), the prevalence of these haptic data formats in a
  large number of devices around the world, pre-dating the
  standardization of haptic tracks in ISOBMFF, provides a compelling
  argument for 'haptics' to be designated as a top-level media type:

Perhaps remove mention of "not been registered with IANA?
  While these subtypes have *not* been standardized (yet),
  the prevalence of these haptic data formats in a
  large number of devices around the world, pre-dating the
  standardization of haptic tracks in ISOBMFF, provides a compelling
  argument for 'haptics' to be designated as a top-level media type:
-->


6) <!-- [rfced] hmpg and hjif are being registered by this document.
Please consider how this text can be updated for accuracy.

Original:
  These
  codes are not registered yet, but the plan is indeed to standardize
  these haptic coding formats in the near future.  Once standardized,
  these types should also be registered as subtypes of the 'haptics'
  top-level media type:
-->


7) <!-- [rfced] For ease of the reader, we have updated "FourCC codes" as
"FourCCs (four-character codes)".  Alternatively, may we replace "FourCC"
with "four-character codes", because this is the only place FourCC is used?
Please review.

Original:
  The MPEG ISOBMFF proposal included an informative annex of known
  haptic coding formats with proposed FourCC codes for them.

Current:
  The MPEG ISOBMFF proposal included an informative annex of known
  haptic coding formats with proposed FourCCs (four-character codes)
  for them.
-->


8) <!-- [rfced] Should "URLL" be "URLLC"?  If correct, may we expand URLLC
as "Ultra-Reliable Low-Latency Communication (URLLC)"?  If not, please
indicate how URLL should be expanded.

Original:
  *  IEEE P1918.1.1 vibrotactile coding standard [IEEE-P191811] being
     developed under the IEEE Tactile Internet initiative as part of
     the 5G URLL profile.
-->


9) <!-- [rfced] [ISOBMFF-IS] This reference is the most current
version of this standard, but there is a note on this version that states
"Expected to be replaced by ISO/IEC DIS 14496-12.2 within the coming
months."  Please let us know if publication of this document should be
delayed until ISO/IEC DIS 14496-12.2 is formally published
(see https://www.iso.org/standard/85596.html).

Original:
  [ISOBMFF-IS]
             "ISO/IEC 14496-12 (7th Edition) Information technology —
             Coding of audio-visual objects — Part 12: ISO base media
             file format", <https://www.iso.org/standard/83102.html>.
-->


10) <!-- [rfced] [IEEE-P191811] The original URL redirected to the
search page for IEEE Standards: https://standards.ieee.org/standard/.
We have updated the reference as described on
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10555007.  The status is marked as
"Inactive - Draft".  Please review and let us know if any updates are
needed.

  [IEEE-P191811]
             "P1918.1.1 - Haptic Codecs for the Tactile Internet",
             <https://standards.ieee.org/project/1918_1_1.html>.
-->


11) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the
online Style Guide 
<https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature
typically result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.

For example, please consider whether the following should be updated:
  native

Note that native can be ambiguous because it is subjective.  Perhaps "built-in" 
would work?
-->


Thank you.

RFC Editor


On Dec 23, 2024, at 11:03 PM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:

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RFC9695 (draft-ietf-mediaman-haptics-05)

Title            : The 'haptics' Top-level Media Type
Author(s)        : Y. Muthusamy, C. Ullrich
WG Chair(s)      : Harald T. Alvestrand
Area Director(s) : Murray Kucherawy, Orie Steele



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