I see that 9622 lacks my approval: I’m ok eith the latest changes and approve 
publication!

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> Am 21.12.2024 um 02:55 schrieb Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com>:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Just a final reminder for the year that this document set awaits author 
> actions.  See the email thread below as well as the AUTH48 status page:
> 
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508
> 
> Note that time is running out to move forward with a 2024 publication date 
> due to holidays etc.  Please contact us at your earliest convenience with 
> approvals and/or updates.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> RFC Editor/mf
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Michael and Mirja,
>> 
>> Thanks for replies and explanations.  We have updated the files and rolled 
>> these changes into the current versions of the diffs so as to keep access to 
>> the previous capping updates and all of the capping changes together where 
>> possible (to hopefully keep everyone in the loop).
>> 
>> Notes:
>> -Mirja’s first point that Michael suggests leaving as was: we have made no 
>> changes as this sounds acceptable to Mirja and Michael’s preference.
>> 
>> -9622: we lowercased “Cellular data plan” in one instance.
>> 
>> -9623: we updated to use only “policy” instead of “System Policy”.
>> 
>> -9621: we have lowercased a single instance of “Message” and removed 
>> “Properties” as seemed agreeable to both Mirja and Michael.
>> 
>> Please review and confirm that these updates appear as desired.
>> 
>> The AUTH48 status page for the entire cluster is viewable here:
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508
>> 
>> Each document’s updated files and diffs are available as listed below:
>> 
>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.txt
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.pdf
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.html
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.xml
>> 
>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>> only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>> version only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>> rfcdiff)
>> 
>> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
>> together:
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621caps-diff.html
>> 
>> ——
>> 
>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.txt
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.pdf
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.html
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.xml
>> 
>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>> only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>> version only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>> rfcdiff)
>> 
>> 
>> ——
>> 
>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.txt
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.pdf
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.html
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.xml
>> 
>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>> only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>> version only)
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>> rfcdiff)
>> 
>> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
>> together:
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623caps-diff.html
>> 
>> Please review carefully and let us know if any further changes are necessary.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> RFC Editor/mf
>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Michael Welzl <mich...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mirja,
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for taking a careful look!   I’m sorry, I can’t do any more 
>>> updates for a while now - perhaps someone else could have a go at these?
>>> 
>>> Answers below:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Mirja Kuehlewind 
>>>> <mirja.kuehlew...@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> thanks for the huge amount of work!
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry that I have to say this but I'm not fully convinced regarding the 
>>>> capitalization of Connection, Property and Messages. I think I would have 
>>>> preference to keep them lower case in most of the cases, and use upper 
>>>> case really only if a very specific "implementation instance" is meant. 
>>>> However, I can fully live with the current approach now as long as it is 
>>>> unified.
>>> 
>>> First and foremost, I wanted to minimize changes, or at least stay true to 
>>> the original intention. I think what I did follows that - we have long used 
>>> capitalization of these terms to distinguish between the “upper layer” and 
>>> the “lower layer”. For Connection, the -arch draft (9621) even explicitly 
>>> says this, in two places (search for “capital”).
>>> So I think we should keep these as they are.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Still, I have a few comments though where I find something not completely 
>>>> right in my review:
>>>> 
>>>> First, I agree with Reese on the use of " Cellular data plan" in RFC9622. 
>>>> This is just an example and normal word in a sentence and does not relate 
>>>> to any property in this occurrence and therefore should be lower case.
>>> 
>>> As I explained, I did this to follow what already was the common style in 
>>> the documents; but this is totally fine with me, and I can’t imagine anyone 
>>> strongly disagreeing. Let’s lower-case it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> For RFC9623, I did struggle with this occurrence of "System policy" (this 
>>>> sentence is twice in the doc):
>>>> 
>>>> "Similar to a derived endpoint, the paths should be ranked based on 
>>>> preference, System Policy, and performance."
>>>> 
>>>> Because it's listed here between preference and performance I think it 
>>>> should be lower case. Or you could even remove the word "System" and only 
>>>> use policy as an undefined term to avoid confusion.
>>> 
>>> Ok for me to change.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> And for RFC9621, I have these two cases:
>>>> 
>>>> "The Socket API provides a Message interface for datagram protocols"
>>>> 
>>>> It's _a_ undefined message interface. Here message interface is just used 
>>>> as a specific kind of interface and not _the_ message interface we use in 
>>>> TAPS.
>>> 
>>> Good catch, I agree.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> "This automated selection is constrained by the Properties and preferences 
>>>> expressed by the application and requires applications to explicitly set 
>>>> Properties that define any necessary constraints on protocol, path, and 
>>>> interface selection."
>>>> 
>>>> I would either lower-case "Properties" when noted together with 
>>>> "preferences" or remove it, because preferences are expressed by 
>>>> Properties.
>>> 
>>> I don’t really see the problem here; I’m against lower-casing “Properties”, 
>>> but removing it would be okay.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again. Just my 2c...
>>>> 
>>>> Mirja
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20.12.24, 04:52, "Michael Welzl" <mich...@ifi.uio.no 
>>>> <mailto:mich...@ifi.uio.no>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi !
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here come the new versions!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Once these changes are incorporated, I approve publication wherever it’s 
>>>> missing (as a co-author: RFCs 9622 and 9623).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 12:00 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mfergu...@amsl.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will apply all of these changes to the XML files (the latest version 
>>>>>> you sent) and send them back to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Excellent. We will await the files updated with all of the changes before 
>>>>> taking any action on our end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to the get-together: thanks for the invite! You will have to reach out 
>>>>> to whoever ends up at the RFC Editor desk at IETF if you would like help 
>>>>> celebrating this accomplishment :). We were happy to do our part and very 
>>>>> much appreciate your time and attention in getting this cluster ready for 
>>>>> publication (no easy feat on Michael’s part)!
>>>>> 
>>>>> RFC Editor/mf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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