Greetings,

Just a final reminder for the year that this document set awaits author 
actions.  See the email thread below as well as the AUTH48 status page:

https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508 

Note that time is running out to move forward with a 2024 publication date due 
to holidays etc.  Please contact us at your earliest convenience with approvals 
and/or updates.

Thank you.

RFC Editor/mf

> On Dec 20, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com> wrote:
> 
> Michael and Mirja,
> 
> Thanks for replies and explanations.  We have updated the files and rolled 
> these changes into the current versions of the diffs so as to keep access to 
> the previous capping updates and all of the capping changes together where 
> possible (to hopefully keep everyone in the loop).
> 
> Notes:
> -Mirja’s first point that Michael suggests leaving as was: we have made no 
> changes as this sounds acceptable to Mirja and Michael’s preference.
> 
> -9622: we lowercased “Cellular data plan” in one instance.
> 
> -9623: we updated to use only “policy” instead of “System Policy”.
> 
> -9621: we have lowercased a single instance of “Message” and removed 
> “Properties” as seemed agreeable to both Mirja and Michael.
> 
> Please review and confirm that these updates appear as desired.
> 
> The AUTH48 status page for the entire cluster is viewable here: 
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508 
> 
> Each document’s updated files and diffs are available as listed below:
> 
> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.pdf
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.xml
> 
> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
> only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastdiff.html (last to current 
> version only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
> rfcdiff)
> 
> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
> together:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621caps-diff.html
> 
> ——
> 
> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.pdf
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.xml
> 
> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
> only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastdiff.html (last to current 
> version only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
> rfcdiff)
> 
> 
> ——
> 
> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.pdf
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.xml
> 
> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
> only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastdiff.html (last to current 
> version only)
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
> rfcdiff)
> 
> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
> together:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623caps-diff.html
> 
> Please review carefully and let us know if any further changes are necessary.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> RFC Editor/mf
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Michael Welzl <mich...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mirja,
>> 
>> Many thanks for taking a careful look!   I’m sorry, I can’t do any more 
>> updates for a while now - perhaps someone else could have a go at these?
>> 
>> Answers below:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Mirja Kuehlewind 
>>> <mirja.kuehlew...@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> thanks for the huge amount of work!
>>> 
>>> Sorry that I have to say this but I'm not fully convinced regarding the 
>>> capitalization of Connection, Property and Messages. I think I would have 
>>> preference to keep them lower case in most of the cases, and use upper case 
>>> really only if a very specific "implementation instance" is meant. However, 
>>> I can fully live with the current approach now as long as it is unified.
>> 
>> First and foremost, I wanted to minimize changes, or at least stay true to 
>> the original intention. I think what I did follows that - we have long used 
>> capitalization of these terms to distinguish between the “upper layer” and 
>> the “lower layer”. For Connection, the -arch draft (9621) even explicitly 
>> says this, in two places (search for “capital”).
>> So I think we should keep these as they are.
>> 
>> 
>>> Still, I have a few comments though where I find something not completely 
>>> right in my review: 
>>> 
>>> First, I agree with Reese on the use of " Cellular data plan" in RFC9622. 
>>> This is just an example and normal word in a sentence and does not relate 
>>> to any property in this occurrence and therefore should be lower case.
>> 
>> As I explained, I did this to follow what already was the common style in 
>> the documents; but this is totally fine with me, and I can’t imagine anyone 
>> strongly disagreeing. Let’s lower-case it.
>> 
>> 
>>> For RFC9623, I did struggle with this occurrence of "System policy" (this 
>>> sentence is twice in the doc):
>>> 
>>> "Similar to a derived endpoint, the paths should be ranked based on 
>>> preference, System Policy, and performance."
>>> 
>>> Because it's listed here between preference and performance I think it 
>>> should be lower case. Or you could even remove the word "System" and only 
>>> use policy as an undefined term to avoid confusion.
>> 
>> Ok for me to change.
>> 
>> 
>>> And for RFC9621, I have these two cases:
>>> 
>>> "The Socket API provides a Message interface for datagram protocols"
>>> 
>>> It's _a_ undefined message interface. Here message interface is just used 
>>> as a specific kind of interface and not _the_ message interface we use in 
>>> TAPS.
>> 
>> Good catch, I agree.
>> 
>> 
>>> "This automated selection is constrained by the Properties and preferences 
>>> expressed by the application and requires applications to explicitly set 
>>> Properties that define any necessary constraints on protocol, path, and 
>>> interface selection."
>>> 
>>> I would either lower-case "Properties" when noted together with 
>>> "preferences" or remove it, because preferences are expressed by Properties.
>> 
>> I don’t really see the problem here; I’m against lower-casing “Properties”, 
>> but removing it would be okay.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again. Just my 2c...
>>> 
>>> Mirja
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20.12.24, 04:52, "Michael Welzl" <mich...@ifi.uio.no 
>>> <mailto:mich...@ifi.uio.no>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here come the new versions!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Once these changes are incorporated, I approve publication wherever it’s 
>>> missing (as a co-author: RFCs 9622 and 9623).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 12:00 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com 
>>>> <mailto:mfergu...@amsl.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>>> I will apply all of these changes to the XML files (the latest version 
>>>>> you sent) and send them back to you.
>>>> 
>>>> Excellent. We will await the files updated with all of the changes before 
>>>> taking any action on our end.
>>>> 
>>>> As to the get-together: thanks for the invite! You will have to reach out 
>>>> to whoever ends up at the RFC Editor desk at IETF if you would like help 
>>>> celebrating this accomplishment :). We were happy to do our part and very 
>>>> much appreciate your time and attention in getting this cluster ready for 
>>>> publication (no easy feat on Michael’s part)!
>>>> 
>>>> RFC Editor/mf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

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