Michael,

Thanks for sending.  We have updated and moved RFC-to-be 9622 to AUTH48-DONE to 
await the other two documents.

Thank you.

RFC Editor/mf


> On Dec 20, 2024, at 6:20 PM, Michael Welzl <mich...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> 
> I see that 9622 lacks my approval: I’m ok eith the latest changes and approve 
> publication!
> 
> Sent from my phone
> 
>> Am 21.12.2024 um 02:55 schrieb Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com>:
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Just a final reminder for the year that this document set awaits author 
>> actions.  See the email thread below as well as the AUTH48 status page:
>> 
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508
>> 
>> Note that time is running out to move forward with a 2024 publication date 
>> due to holidays etc.  Please contact us at your earliest convenience with 
>> approvals and/or updates.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> RFC Editor/mf
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael and Mirja,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replies and explanations.  We have updated the files and rolled 
>>> these changes into the current versions of the diffs so as to keep access 
>>> to the previous capping updates and all of the capping changes together 
>>> where possible (to hopefully keep everyone in the loop).
>>> 
>>> Notes:
>>> -Mirja’s first point that Michael suggests leaving as was: we have made no 
>>> changes as this sounds acceptable to Mirja and Michael’s preference.
>>> 
>>> -9622: we lowercased “Cellular data plan” in one instance.
>>> 
>>> -9623: we updated to use only “policy” instead of “System Policy”.
>>> 
>>> -9621: we have lowercased a single instance of “Message” and removed 
>>> “Properties” as seemed agreeable to both Mirja and Michael.
>>> 
>>> Please review and confirm that these updates appear as desired.
>>> 
>>> The AUTH48 status page for the entire cluster is viewable here:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C508
>>> 
>>> Each document’s updated files and diffs are available as listed below:
>>> 
>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.txt
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.pdf
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621.xml
>>> 
>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>>> only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>>> version only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>>> rfcdiff)
>>> 
>>> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
>>> together:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9621caps-diff.html
>>> 
>>> ——
>>> 
>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.txt
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.pdf
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622.xml
>>> 
>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>>> only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>>> version only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9622-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>>> rfcdiff)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ——
>>> 
>>> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.txt
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.pdf
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623.xml
>>> 
>>> The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes 
>>> only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastdiff.html (last to current 
>>> version only)
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623-lastrfcdiff.html (ditto but 
>>> rfcdiff)
>>> 
>>> The following diff contains the capping changes from the last two rounds 
>>> together:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9623caps-diff.html
>>> 
>>> Please review carefully and let us know if any further changes are 
>>> necessary.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> RFC Editor/mf
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Michael Welzl <mich...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mirja,
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks for taking a careful look!   I’m sorry, I can’t do any more 
>>>> updates for a while now - perhaps someone else could have a go at these?
>>>> 
>>>> Answers below:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Mirja Kuehlewind 
>>>>> <mirja.kuehlew...@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for the huge amount of work!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry that I have to say this but I'm not fully convinced regarding the 
>>>>> capitalization of Connection, Property and Messages. I think I would have 
>>>>> preference to keep them lower case in most of the cases, and use upper 
>>>>> case really only if a very specific "implementation instance" is meant. 
>>>>> However, I can fully live with the current approach now as long as it is 
>>>>> unified.
>>>> 
>>>> First and foremost, I wanted to minimize changes, or at least stay true to 
>>>> the original intention. I think what I did follows that - we have long 
>>>> used capitalization of these terms to distinguish between the “upper 
>>>> layer” and the “lower layer”. For Connection, the -arch draft (9621) even 
>>>> explicitly says this, in two places (search for “capital”).
>>>> So I think we should keep these as they are.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Still, I have a few comments though where I find something not completely 
>>>>> right in my review:
>>>>> 
>>>>> First, I agree with Reese on the use of " Cellular data plan" in RFC9622. 
>>>>> This is just an example and normal word in a sentence and does not relate 
>>>>> to any property in this occurrence and therefore should be lower case.
>>>> 
>>>> As I explained, I did this to follow what already was the common style in 
>>>> the documents; but this is totally fine with me, and I can’t imagine 
>>>> anyone strongly disagreeing. Let’s lower-case it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> For RFC9623, I did struggle with this occurrence of "System policy" (this 
>>>>> sentence is twice in the doc):
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Similar to a derived endpoint, the paths should be ranked based on 
>>>>> preference, System Policy, and performance."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because it's listed here between preference and performance I think it 
>>>>> should be lower case. Or you could even remove the word "System" and only 
>>>>> use policy as an undefined term to avoid confusion.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok for me to change.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> And for RFC9621, I have these two cases:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The Socket API provides a Message interface for datagram protocols"
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's _a_ undefined message interface. Here message interface is just used 
>>>>> as a specific kind of interface and not _the_ message interface we use in 
>>>>> TAPS.
>>>> 
>>>> Good catch, I agree.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> "This automated selection is constrained by the Properties and 
>>>>> preferences expressed by the application and requires applications to 
>>>>> explicitly set Properties that define any necessary constraints on 
>>>>> protocol, path, and interface selection."
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would either lower-case "Properties" when noted together with 
>>>>> "preferences" or remove it, because preferences are expressed by 
>>>>> Properties.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t really see the problem here; I’m against lower-casing 
>>>> “Properties”, but removing it would be okay.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again. Just my 2c...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mirja
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20.12.24, 04:52, "Michael Welzl" <mich...@ifi.uio.no 
>>>>> <mailto:mich...@ifi.uio.no>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi !
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here come the new versions!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once these changes are incorporated, I approve publication wherever it’s 
>>>>> missing (as a co-author: RFCs 9622 and 9623).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 12:00 AM, Megan Ferguson <mfergu...@amsl.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:mfergu...@amsl.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will apply all of these changes to the XML files (the latest version 
>>>>>>> you sent) and send them back to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Excellent. We will await the files updated with all of the changes 
>>>>>> before taking any action on our end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to the get-together: thanks for the invite! You will have to reach 
>>>>>> out to whoever ends up at the RFC Editor desk at IETF if you would like 
>>>>>> help celebrating this accomplishment :). We were happy to do our part 
>>>>>> and very much appreciate your time and attention in getting this cluster 
>>>>>> ready for publication (no easy feat on Michael’s part)!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RFC Editor/mf
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

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