PLS DUN STOP BEG ALL OF YA.... PLS...
--- On Thu, 30/10/08, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD!
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, 30 October, 2008, 11:26 PM
LOLZ LOLZ... Ban Kaissiom... he he.. No way..
Okay bros...dont worry. I have an alternative way , and Kaissiom Bhai himself
had suggested me to apply a disclaimer , whenever I share BGMs...
I will do it...
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:33 PM, lalisingh20 <lalisingh20@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Vithur bhai, pls don't stop sharing the BGM.
If you read kaissiom email carefully, I think he's saying it's ok
toshare BGMs but not vocals.
hey kaissiom, thanks for giving us the BGMs and taking it away from
us. I was thinking do you mind if I ask you wat u do for a living...
because ur emails are always long and serious.
I have a solution to this dilemma: BAN kaissiom from posting anything
on this group... and everything will return to normal.
--- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "kaissiom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Aravind,
>
> Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or
> two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous BGMs and
> other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :(
>
> The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group here.
> We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate Rahman.
> And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally
> unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the
> public space like this group, whatever we share becomes available to
> the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted,
> dedicated Rahman fan.
>
> You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the Radio.
> And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited it. I
> felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's when
> I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right
> after RDB bgms.
>
> Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing...
> namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD
>
> I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on DVDs, but
> it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some light on
> that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned
> musical bits from DVD:
>
> a)BGM (Background Music) bits:
> 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a soundtrack like
> some of the tracks in BOSE.
> 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know?
> 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know?
>
> b)Vocals (extracted from DVD):
> 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. We are
> extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact music is
> available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here
> implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't
> matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because it's the
> same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a
> commercially available product.. which definitely implies violation of
> copyright laws.
> 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD
> 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES.
>
> Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference between
> just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially
> available in form of CD).
>
> The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may not be
> very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something like...
> "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can still
> argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in
> commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these
> producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially available...
> that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and
> sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and
> while they do something about it, we are filling up the void for the
> die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a big deal
> because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it
> boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose?
>
> On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well defined.
> Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the producer
> owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( Rahman is
> working on it).
> I believe full length vocals of any song should not be shared..for the
> very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from Rahman's
> CDs.
>
> Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role model. We
> should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true fans. We
> as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and plagiarism.
> Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the
> Artists you like!
>
> Make Rahman Proud,
> Wasim.
>
> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Aravind AM <aravind_am@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and Dil-Se...
> But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group.
> >
> > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this
> mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's mail, I
> could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has mentioned in
> his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified!
> >
> > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and
> ethics/copyright issues.
> >
> > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your views on
> the same!!
> >
> >
> > Aravind
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com
> >
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> >
> >
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