On 10/30/2008 8:57 PM India Time, _$ Pavan Kumar $_ wrote: > Its not harming anybody's economic earning...but..wat about the creative > aspect? Money isnt everything...
ARR's creations reach his fans, what could be better creative respect to ARR than that? It is sinful of music companies not to release the bgms commercially so that fans can buy. the music companies are starving the fans only because there is not much market for bgms. hence, I feel it is perfectly ok and harmless to share bgms. -- Rawat > > --- On *Thu, 10/30/08, V S Rawat /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD! > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 7:11 AM > > When music companies or video companies are not selling the bgms, why > restrict sharing of bgms. It is not harming anybody's economic earnings. > > Thanks. > -- > Rawat > > On 10/30/2008 6:32 PM India Time, _Farzad khaleel_ wrote: > > > Vithur, I have uploaded your BGM's in my website / blog. > > > > *http://rahmaniac. wordpress. com/downloads/ bgm* > <http://rahmaniac.wordpress.com/downloads/bgm*> > > > > Must I block the access to this page ? Please update me about this, > > Vithur.... > > > > Thanks in advance ! > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com > <mailto:vithurm%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <mailto:vithurm%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Agreed with NIven... > > > > Henceforth, I would not be sharing any of the BGMs,,, anywhere in > > any of the ARR Forums.. > > > > If at all, anyone is interested, Pls do mail me, and this can be > > discussed in individual basis. > > > > If my previous BGM rippings have by any chance hurted our BOSS's > > sentiments, I am extremely sorry. I dont have the least thought even > > to disturb ARR anytime... > > > > ARR is our motivation to even live in this world..... > > > > God Bless ARR and everyone. > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM, nivensamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com > <mailto:nivensrn%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <mailto:nivensrn%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > I've been reading the mails about BGM and been seeing many BGM > > uploaded. Just recently I've started downloading and listening to > > rahman's magic thru BGM. Its a sure thing that these BGM are like > > hidden albums that we wished was available on the soundtrack > > audio cd. > > > > Members should put tremendous effort in ripping vcd/dvd for such > > gems > > are in fact doubling our joy of being a rahman fan but hearing > > it has > > been played on radio gives me goosebumps.. . > > > > OH MY GOD!!!! ARRahman must be very very rankled to hear such thing > > about his works. Im sure its not legal. Also I dont think we need to > > wait a response from Gopal/Vijay or Rahman himself. > > > > So guys, I know you are helping us innocently but we should > > think of a > > way this does not affect our Boss's hard work. > > > > I think we should each one of us have an audio dvd ripper and do our > > oww BGM and ensure it stays safe with us and we listen whenever > > we want. > > > > Niven (Mauritius) > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, "kaissiom" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a > > year or > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous > > BGMs and > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this > > group here. > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and > > celebrate Rahman. > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes > > available to > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, > > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on > > the Radio. > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited > > it. I > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. > > That's when > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right > > > after RDB bgms. > > > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD > > > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on > > DVDs, but > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some > > light on > > > that. But please notice the difference between the above > > mentioned > > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a > > soundtrack like > > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. > > We are > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact > > music is > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because > > it's the > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering > > with a > > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies > > violation of > > > copyright laws. > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference > > between > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially > > > available in form of CD). > > > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may > > not be > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something > > like... > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can > > still > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially > > available... > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void > > for the > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a > > big deal > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is > > what it > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? > > > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well > > defined. > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the > > producer > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( > > Rahman is > > > working on it). > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be > > shared..for the > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from > > Rahman's > > > CDs. > > > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role > > model. We > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true > > fans. We > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and > > plagiarism. > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the > > > Artists you like! > > > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > > Wasim. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, Aravind AM > > <aravind_am@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and > > Dil-Se... > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. > > > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing > > this > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's > > mail, I > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has > > mentioned in > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! > > > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your > > views on > > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com > <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/> > > <http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com/ > <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/>> > > > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at > > http://rahmania. 4shared.com <http://rahmania.4shared.com/> > <http://rahmania. 4shared.com/ <http://rahmania.4shared.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. yahoo.com/ invite/ > <http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > regards, > > Vithur > > > > ARR in my Heart; > > His Music in my Blood; > > -- > > Farzad Khaleel > > Webmaster > > http://rahmaniac. co.nr <http://rahmaniac.co.nr/>
