Its not harming anybody's economic earning...but..wat about the creative aspect? Money isnt everything...
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD! To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 7:11 AM When music companies or video companies are not selling the bgms, why restrict sharing of bgms. It is not harming anybody's economic earnings. Thanks. -- Rawat On 10/30/2008 6:32 PM India Time, _Farzad khaleel_ wrote: > Vithur, I have uploaded your BGM's in my website / blog. > > *http://rahmaniac. wordpress. com/downloads/ bgm* > > Must I block the access to this page ? Please update me about this, > Vithur.... > > Thanks in advance ! > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>> wrote: > > Agreed with NIven... > > Henceforth, I would not be sharing any of the BGMs,,, anywhere in > any of the ARR Forums.. > > If at all, anyone is interested, Pls do mail me, and this can be > discussed in individual basis. > > If my previous BGM rippings have by any chance hurted our BOSS's > sentiments, I am extremely sorry. I dont have the least thought even > to disturb ARR anytime... > > ARR is our motivation to even live in this world..... > > God Bless ARR and everyone. > > Thanks. > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM, nivensamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>> wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > I've been reading the mails about BGM and been seeing many BGM > uploaded. Just recently I've started downloading and listening to > rahman's magic thru BGM. Its a sure thing that these BGM are like > hidden albums that we wished was available on the soundtrack > audio cd. > > Members should put tremendous effort in ripping vcd/dvd for such > gems > are in fact doubling our joy of being a rahman fan but hearing > it has > been played on radio gives me goosebumps.. . > > OH MY GOD!!!! ARRahman must be very very rankled to hear such thing > about his works. Im sure its not legal. Also I dont think we need to > wait a response from Gopal/Vijay or Rahman himself. > > So guys, I know you are helping us innocently but we should > think of a > way this does not affect our Boss's hard work. > > I think we should each one of us have an audio dvd ripper and do our > oww BGM and ensure it stays safe with us and we listen whenever > we want. > > Niven (Mauritius) > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, "kaissiom" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a > year or > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous > BGMs and > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this > group here. > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and > celebrate Rahman. > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes > available to > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on > the Radio. > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited > it. I > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. > That's when > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right > > after RDB bgms. > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on > DVDs, but > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some > light on > > that. But please notice the difference between the above > mentioned > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a > soundtrack like > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. > We are > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact > music is > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because > it's the > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering > with a > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies > violation of > > copyright laws. > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference > between > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially > > available in form of CD). > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may > not be > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something > like... > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can > still > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially > available... > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void > for the > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a > big deal > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is > what it > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well > defined. > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the > producer > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( > Rahman is > > working on it). > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be > shared..for the > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from > Rahman's > > CDs. > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role > model. We > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true > fans. We > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and > plagiarism. > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the > > Artists you like! > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > Wasim. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, Aravind AM > <aravind_am@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and > Dil-Se... > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing > this > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's > mail, I > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has > mentioned in > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your > views on > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com > <http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com/> > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at > http://rahmania. 4shared.com <http://rahmania. 4shared.com/> > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. yahoo.com/ invite/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > regards, > Vithur > > ARR in my Heart; > His Music in my Blood; > -- > Farzad Khaleel > Webmaster > http://rahmaniac. co.nr
