Well I will tell you what. Since Gops/Vijay are mum about the whole issue, continue sharing the BGMs. If there is anything wrong they will/would advise :P
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, $ Pavan Kumar $ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Its not harming anybody's economic earning...but..wat about the > creative aspect? Money isnt everything... > > --- On *Thu, 10/30/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD! > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 7:11 AM > > When music companies or video companies are not selling the bgms, why > restrict sharing of bgms. It is not harming anybody's economic earnings. > > Thanks. > -- > Rawat > > On 10/30/2008 6:32 PM India Time, _Farzad khaleel_ wrote: > > > Vithur, I have uploaded your BGM's in my website / blog. > > > > *http://rahmaniac. wordpress. com/downloads/ > > bgm*<http://rahmaniac.wordpress.com/downloads/bgm*> > > > > Must I block the access to this page ? Please update me about this, > > Vithur.... > > > > Thanks in advance ! > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > com<vithurm%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <vithurm%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Agreed with NIven... > > > > Henceforth, I would not be sharing any of the BGMs,,, anywhere in > > any of the ARR Forums.. > > > > If at all, anyone is interested, Pls do mail me, and this can be > > discussed in individual basis. > > > > If my previous BGM rippings have by any chance hurted our BOSS's > > sentiments, I am extremely sorry. I dont have the least thought even > > to disturb ARR anytime... > > > > ARR is our motivation to even live in this world..... > > > > God Bless ARR and everyone. > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM, nivensamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > com<nivensrn%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com <nivensrn%40gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > I've been reading the mails about BGM and been seeing many BGM > > uploaded. Just recently I've started downloading and listening to > > rahman's magic thru BGM. Its a sure thing that these BGM are like > > hidden albums that we wished was available on the soundtrack > > audio cd. > > > > Members should put tremendous effort in ripping vcd/dvd for such > > gems > > are in fact doubling our joy of being a rahman fan but hearing > > it has > > been played on radio gives me goosebumps.. . > > > > OH MY GOD!!!! ARRahman must be very very rankled to hear such thing > > about his works. Im sure its not legal. Also I dont think we need to > > wait a response from Gopal/Vijay or Rahman himself. > > > > So guys, I know you are helping us innocently but we should > > think of a > > way this does not affect our Boss's hard work. > > > > I think we should each one of us have an audio dvd ripper and do our > > oww BGM and ensure it stays safe with us and we listen whenever > > we want. > > > > Niven (Mauritius) > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, "kaissiom" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a > > year or > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous > > BGMs and > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this > > group here. > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and > > celebrate Rahman. > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes > > available to > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, > > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on > > the Radio. > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited > > it. I > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. > > That's when > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right > > > after RDB bgms. > > > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD > > > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on > > DVDs, but > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some > > light on > > > that. But please notice the difference between the above > > mentioned > > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a > > soundtrack like > > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. > > We are > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact > > music is > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because > > it's the > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering > > with a > > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies > > violation of > > > copyright laws. > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference > > between > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially > > > available in form of CD). > > > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may > > not be > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something > > like... > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can > > still > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially > > available... > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void > > for the > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a > > big deal > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is > > what it > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? > > > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well > > defined. > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the > > producer > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( > > Rahman is > > > working on it). > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be > > shared..for the > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from > > Rahman's > > > CDs. > > > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role > > model. We > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true > > fans. We > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and > > plagiarism. > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the > > > Artists you like! > > > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > > Wasim. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:arrahmanfan s%40yahoogroups. com>, Aravind AM > > > <aravind_am@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and > > Dil-Se... > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. > > > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing > > this > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's > > mail, I > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has > > mentioned in > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! > > > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your > > views on > > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/> > > <http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com/ <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/>> > > > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at > > http://rahmania. 4shared.com <http://rahmania.4shared.com/> > > <http://rahmania. > 4shared.com/ <http://rahmania.4shared.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. yahoo.com/ invite/<http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > regards, > > Vithur > > > > ARR in my Heart; > > His Music in my Blood; > > -- > > Farzad Khaleel > > Webmaster > > http://rahmaniac. co.nr <http://rahmaniac.co.nr/> > > > >
