A ballpark cost estimate would be helpful.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 15:42 David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> wrote: > Doug, > > While I agree that expenses should not be the first consideration when > evaluating policy, at least usually. > > Nevertheless, the staff and legal review for this policy, dated June 3rd, > warns, "Proper implementation will require significant investment to > determine the full extent of the legal, operational, and compliance > adaptations necessary, as well as determining resulting implementation > cost." > > That raises a serious question about what this policy would cost, and not > just the simple expense of it, but also the legal, operational, and > compliance consequences to the organization. Those can be boiled down to > expenses, but from a policy perspective, those are more than just expenses, > and the consideration of those consequences becomes central to > evaluating this policy. > > Thanks > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 1:44 PM Douglas Camin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Scott - >> >> I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on the >> merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost is never a >> consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy is brand new and >> only received an early staff and legal because of its legal implications - >> the questions to the community revolve around “is this good policy or not." >> >> Hope that helps - >> >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Douglas J. Camin >> >> [email protected] >> *From: *Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> >> *Date: *Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM >> *To: *arin-ppml <[email protected]>, Douglas Camin <[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural >> Persons -- Request for Feedback >> >> I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change don’t >> exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we haven’t >> already wasted more of our collective time discussing this policy than will >> ever be saved by the small number of individuals who’d benefit from it >> (those who can’t easily apply as sole proprietors). >> >> -Scott >> On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin <[email protected]>, >> wrote: >> >> >> Xavier - >> >> Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy, it’s >> encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the merits and not on >> cost. If it’s good policy, it should be implemented and if not, it should >> be abandoned. This keeps us focused on whether policy is sound or not. A >> sound policy can be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap. >> >> Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your question - >> we’d love to get your feedback on your views on what we should do with the >> policy. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Douglas J. Camin >> ARIN Advisory Council >> [email protected] >> >> *From:* ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of Xavier via >> ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> >> *Date:* Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM >> *To:* Elizabeth Goodson <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural >> Persons -- Request for Feedback >> >> >> My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation cost" >> (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review section) will be. >> Making it easier to access resources is probably worth $10,000 but is >> probably not worth $250,000, IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate? >> >> Thank you, >> Xavier Clark >> >> On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello PPML, >> >> I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking >> direction from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this >> policy. There was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June, >> which tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was >> published. >> >> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025 >> >> >> Should we >> - abandon this policy, >> - accept this policy as written, or >> - continue to revise this policy? >> >> We appreciate your feedback. >> >> Thanks, >> Liz Goodson >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2218+University+Ave+SE?entry=gmail&source=g> > Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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