That's actually a very good and valid point ! Thanks for bringing it up
Noah.
Fernando
On 11/07/2025 16:12, Noah wrote:
It's not a good policy. If individuals want to become members of an
RIR, that is fine.
But when it comes to Internet Number Resources which we have seen some
claim to be properties or a commodity, this will create a precedent
where persons claim IP addresses as personal property or part of
their estate or assets. They will then advance into courts to make
claims and the judges who do not have an idea how the RIR system works
will defend their property rights.
Cheers,
*.**/noah*
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 9:44 PM Douglas Camin <[email protected]> wrote:
Scott -
I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on
the merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost
is never a consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy
is brand new and only received an early staff and legal because of
its legal implications - the questions to the community revolve
around “is this good policy or not."
Hope that helps -
Doug
--
Douglas J. Camin
[email protected]
*From: *Scott Leibrand <[email protected]>
*Date: *Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM
*To: *arin-ppml <[email protected]>, Douglas Camin
<[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to
Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback
I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change
don’t exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we
haven’t already wasted more of our collective time discussing this
policy than will ever be saved by the small number of individuals
who’d benefit from it (those who can’t easily apply as sole
proprietors).
-Scott
On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin
<[email protected]>, wrote:
Xavier -
Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy,
it’s encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the
merits and not on cost. If it’s good policy, it should be
implemented and if not, it should be abandoned. This keeps us
focused on whether policy is sound or not. A sound policy can
be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap.
Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your
question - we’d love to get your feedback on your views on
what we should do with the policy.
Thanks!
Doug
--
Douglas J. Camin
ARIN Advisory Council
[email protected]
*From:* ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of
Xavier via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]>
*Date:* Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM
*To:* Elizabeth Goodson <[email protected]>
*Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to
Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback
My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation
cost" (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review
section) will be. Making it easier to access resources is
probably worth $10,000 but is probably not worth $250,000,
IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate?
Thank you,
Xavier Clark
On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello PPML,
I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're
seeking direction from the community as to how the AC
should proceed with this policy. There was robust
conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which
tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal
analysis was published.
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
Should we
- abandon this policy,
- accept this policy as written, or
- continue to revise this policy?
We appreciate your feedback.
Thanks,
Liz Goodson
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