On Sat, 2024-12-28 at 21:01 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > So the message itself is sufficient indication of the person's > > intentions, as far as I can tell. I don't think it's reasonable to > > assume that someone might have intentionally tried to award emself a > > welcome package while remaining not a player; such a person a) would be > > running the risk of becoming registered by accident, and assuming that > > risk shows some intention of possibly becoming a player; b) would have > > had to misread the part of the welcome package rules that states that > > they only applied to players; and c) would be attempting a scam with no > > possible gain (and the potential loss of a welcome package due to the > > 30-day lockout). > > Given the number of new players who have tripped over some sort of > seemingly routine procedural mistake early in their gameplay, I > continue to disagree.
A player who intends to register and makes a procedural mistake doing so still intends to register. I don't see how procedural mistakes are at all relevant here: the language of the rule is clear that all that matters (assuming not banned, etc.) is indicating the desire to become a player, and a message that contains procedural *mistakes* does do that! The only situation in which you would get such a message from a player who didn't desire to register would be if it contained *intentional* procedural errors that were intended to stop the registration; a player who makes an accidental error (a mistake) is still attempting to become a player, and thus still has a desire to register. > > The rules are explicit in requiring registration messages to only be > > reasonably clear and reasonably unambiguous; to hold them to an > > unreasonable standard of unambiguity is to ignore the plain language of > > the rule (and a message is reasonably unambiguous if all > > interpretations other than the obvious one are unreasonable, as they > > are in this case). > > I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a registration message to > actually explicitly contain some synonym of "register". The history of > only-slightly-ambiguous message that inspired the lowered bar has been > more like "I want to be a player" or "I intend to join Agora". I do think that's unreasonable – there is no requirement to do so in the rules. You register by indicating your desire to become a player, not by sending a message that looks like a registration message. For what it's worth, since my last message, I have thought of an argument that the registration might have failed, but it isn't in the judgement: to have a desire to become a player, a person must a) desire to be a player upon receipt of the message and b) believe that e was not a player prior to the message. To me, the message in question clearly demonstrates a), but it may not have demonstrated b). (The interesting legal point is whether specifying the From: address as a person previously unknown to Agora is sufficient to indicate that e does not believe e was previously a player; it is unreasonable to expect someone to believe emself to be a player if e has never interacted with Agora, but it isn't obvious to me whether that fact is contained within the part of the message that the rule is looking at.) -- ais523
