ais523 wrote:
On Sat, 2024-12-28 at 11:46 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote:
ais523 wrote:
On Fri, 2024-12-27 at 20:35 -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
In the absence of such evidence, I find that the precedent from CFJ 3776
still holds. Merely attempting an action limited to players is not
reasonably unambiguous evidence of intent to register; it is reasonably
likely that a new player simply misread the rules and/or mixed up the
order of eir intended actions, or that an experienced player was aiming
for some level of ambiguity (reasonable or otherwise).
Part of this paragraph doesn't seem to match the judgement: if a new
player mixed up the order of eir actions, that *would* indicate an
intent to register, as one of the actions would be a registration.
True as far as it goes, but there are enough sub-cases to unpack that it
still fails to be reasonably unambiguous:
* E may have intended to register and grant emself a Welcome Package
in that order, but mistakenly did the latter first
* E may have intended to register and grant emself a Welcome Package
without realizing that the order mattered
* E may have intended to grant emself a Welcome Package and register
in that order, overlooking that the former would be ineffective
In particular, Rule 869 requires the *published message* to indicate
reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously. Eir intent being
unambiguous is not sufficient; we are not mind readers.
I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw here – I think
there is no reasonable situation in which an unknown-to-Agora person
would send that message without intending to register as a consequence,
and anyone with knowledge of what welcome packages are could draw that
conclusion from the message itself. In all three of your cases, the
person intends to register; and the only one of the three cases which
wouldn't meet the requirements would be the third, and only if the
person intends to register in a later message / at a later time, which
would be an implausible misinterpretation of the rules in addition to
being an implausible action in general. (Compare the case where a
nonplayer tried to table an action to ratify a document, in which the
registration failed because e might have been intending to later
register in order to resolve the intent – in that case, delaying the
action is plausible, in this case it isn't.)
So the message itself is sufficient indication of the person's
intentions, as far as I can tell. I don't think it's reasonable to
assume that someone might have intentionally tried to award emself a
welcome package while remaining not a player; such a person a) would be
running the risk of becoming registered by accident, and assuming that
risk shows some intention of possibly becoming a player; b) would have
had to misread the part of the welcome package rules that states that
they only applied to players; and c) would be attempting a scam with no
possible gain (and the potential loss of a welcome package due to the
30-day lockout).
Given the number of new players who have tripped over some sort of
seemingly routine procedural mistake early in their gameplay, I
continue to disagree.
The rules are explicit in requiring registration messages to only be
reasonably clear and reasonably unambiguous; to hold them to an
unreasonable standard of unambiguity is to ignore the plain language of
the rule (and a message is reasonably unambiguous if all
interpretations other than the obvious one are unreasonable, as they
are in this case).
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a registration message to
actually explicitly contain some synonym of "register". The history of
only-slightly-ambiguous message that inspired the lowered bar has been
more like "I want to be a player" or "I intend to join Agora".
(It is also worth noting that "an experienced player aiming for some
level of ambiguity" would also cause a registration: unambiguously
intending to ambiguously register still demonstrates a desire to become
a player. IIRC there was a past CFJ on the subject, although I didn't
manage to find it.)
Not necessarily, it may simply demonstrate a desire to /possibly/ become
a player at that time, especially if pro-actively followed by something
like "I register" (to see which way the judge leans, but minimize the
reporting burden on the Registrar and other officers).
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