Before I get dogpiled for being called a "racist" - different races, in a very general way, have different medical needs.
What I mainly wanted to bring up back then was that it puts those in a racial minority at a disadvantage when general medical culture seems (often unintentionally) catered towards a particular racial majority and 'political correctness' silences voices that want to bring up that these minorities generally have different inborn vulnerabilities than the majority. It seems racist to say "darker skinned people need more sunlight to be healthy". But it's true. I'm darker skinned myself, I want to know these things to get the vitamin D I need! This doesn't only apply to skin color, but ultimately, what's more important, political correctness, or people's health? About trans people, I think I'm the only guy making hard questions about the phenomenon. I curious about these things that people seem so hushed about. Like, for example: Why are the vast majority of women on Agora, trans? Stone me, burn me on the stake, I am legitimately curious. On Wednesday, August 31, 2022, Sarah S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 9:40 AM Sarah S. <sarahestran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 3:32 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 8/30/2022 9:25 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > >> > On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 18:14 +0200, Madrid via agora-discussion wrote: > >> >> Its true that I don't care much about upholding ancient tradition. > >> >> > >> >> It's nomic, a game of change, and I'm very willing to see Spivak > >> >> removed. > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > I probably wouldn't object to a widespread change to singular-they if > >> > the general view of the playerlist is that that would be preferable, > >> > but it would be likely to add a little extra confusion for no real > >> > benefit (the distinction between singular "e" and plural "they" makes > >> > it easier to parse what a rule is saying). > >> > > >> > >> Just as a minor clarification, I'm not arguing for Spivak per se based > on > >> "ancient tradition" but more along the lines you suggest here, of > >> evaluating our community standards continuously but generally > >> respectfully. The important point for me is that this is not just an > >> isolated quibble over a single instance of language use (and a single > >> unfortunate comparison), but rather an inability to reach a reasonable > >> accommodation with the current community's longstanding/currently- > standing > >> practices. > >> > >> That stuff is just exhausting and not fun in any gaming group, beyond > any > >> historical points or future changes. > >> > >> -G. > >> > >> I personally support spivak - any change to referring to players always > > by the singular 'they' would probably offend me - I'm not a they, I'm a > > she. E/em pronouns, as something that are generally confined within the > > game, don't annoy me in the same way that 'they' would and I enjoy our > odd > > little game pronouns. That said, Agora Is A Nomic and people are free to > > advocate changing to the use of preferred pronouns if they like - this > > doesn't bother me particularly much when Madrid does it. I too find them > > odd to adapt to (and get them wrong quite often), and blognomic did start > > with spivak then abolish them many years ago. And yes, I do think > > traditions ought to be questioned - a substantial majority of the player > > base is newer and if they choose to revise something that doesn't work > for > > them, they should do so. > > > > What bothers me rather more is Madrid's attitude to trans people and > women > > expressed on discord, which I think is quite consistently > discriminatory. E > > has also made remarks about racial differences (deleted by moderator) > which > > in my view were discriminatory. To be clear, I don't remotely feel > > emotionally threatened by Madrid, nor do I feel like e > > personally discriminates against or devalues other players including > myself > > - which is why I don't want to ban em. E is, perhaps unfortunately, quite > > good at confining these conversations to the abstract. But I do want to > > make it clear that I think women ought not be needlessly sexualised, > trans > > people should be accomodated, and ideologies that approach 'race-realism' > > are pernicious and entirely beyond the pale. These are sentences that I > > wouldn't think I would have to type to the agora nomic email server of > all > > places, but I want to make what I think clear. I think it would be quite > > appropriate for agora as a whole to affirm in the rules that we are a > > diverse place and will always welcome anyone from any minority group. > This > > is the sort of social norm I believe it would be appropriate to > crystallise > > and enshrine for all time. > > > > > Upon reflection I probably shouldn't have sent this email, except perhaps > the last two sentences. It is adding fuel that certainly didn't need to be > added. >
