this sucks, so i guess it's as good a time as any to stop watching the distros. thanks for the memories everyone
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 11:14 AM Madrid via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Its true that I don't care much about upholding ancient tradition. > > It's nomic, a game of change, and I'm very willing to see Spivak removed. > > On Tuesday, August 30, 2022, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > [I apologize in advance to others - I don't want to prolong this > > further/at all, but I think the specific Agoran context is important to > > lay out.] > > > > Madrid wrote: > > > - To further illustrate how the current push for > neopronouns/neolanguage > > > isn't natively Spanish but (mostly) orginated in the US as a movement, > > > > This is an Agoran thing, not a broader language question. Back in 1993, > > well before it was a big "U.S." thing, Agorans collectively decided to > use > > e and eir, for specific and conscious reasons. It is part of the > *Agoran* > > culture (if it matters, the game at the time was dominated by Aus/NZ > > players, not the US). It was also out of specific respect to Grand Hero > > of Agora Douglas Hofstadter, who, back in the 1980s, dedicated Scientific > > American columns (the same column in which e popularized Nomic) to the > > pernicious effects of inherent linguistic sexism. It was a subject e was > > passionate about, and one that we found important back in the 1990s when > > almost nobody else did. > > > > In 2017, when we had several new players, we gently corrected those > > who joined, when they didn't use the lingo. Just as others have been, > > including myself, for the whole history of the game. Yours is the only > > response I remember that was basically "I'm going to keep using it > because > > my convenience as a new player is more important that your long-running > > culture": > > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > > agora-business/2017-June/035225.html > > > > And nix called you out then, too: > > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > > agora-business/2017-June/035228.html > > > > After 5 years of this not getting any better. Literally no one else > since > > I joined again in 2001, in my memory, has had any issues once it was > > explained. I'm really really tired of arguing the point, it's not why I > > come here to play this game. > > > > Madrid wrote: > > > To someone who isn't in the neopronouns/neolanguage camp, it feels like > > > some external ideology (be it Sharia Law or neopronouns) barging in to > > > claim that they're correct to some degree and that certain things need > > > to change to a certain amount to accommodate them. > > > > You're partially correct, except for the key point that this is > *internal* > > not *external*. A voluntary group that has been running for over 27 > years > > is asking a single relative newcomer to respect its traditions, > traditions > > that were carefully thought out and defended for years when it was a > weird > > oddity and harder to explain. I'm glad the cultural zeitgeist has caught > > up in some places. > > > > And no other newcomer has had issues, or if they have they've quietly > > ducked out. If you want to compare that to a oppressive regime - well > the > > difference (and what makes it an insulting comparison) is that unlike > many > > under Sharia Law, you are 100% free and privileged to leave with no > > consequences. > > > > This is just a simple matter: THIS IS HOW THIS PARTICULAR GAME IS > > PLAYED. If you don't like it, there's plenty of other games to enjoy. > > This one probably just isn't a good fit. > > > > -G. > > >
