On 5/19/2020 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:48:20 PM CDT you wrote: >> I don't like this idea. The history of this provision is that I gave a CFJ >> judgement essentially establishing something like this. Everyone >> (especially G.) thought it was a terrible idea, and they persuaded me. CAN >> has a very sensible default meaning currently, that allows us to do things >> like specifying a method in one place and enabling its use in another. >> Also, the need to write out the by announcement makes you think about >> whether that's actually what you want. But most of all, I just really don't >> like making this implicit, even if it's explicitly defined as being >> implicit. > > Do you happen to know whenabouts that discussion happened? I'd like to look > at > the arguments from then.
I think what Aris is talking about was the discussion that happened that led up to P7928 'no we can't' (G.), 22 Oct 2017. Though I think the conversation was stretched out over a longer time leading up to that. The change made in that proposal was: > Amend Rule 2125 (Regulated Actions) by replacing: > > Restricted Actions CAN only be performed as described by the Rules. > > with: > > A Restricted Action CAN only be performed as described by the Rules, > and only using the methods explicitly specified in the Rules for > performing the given action. Previously, we'd generally assumed that R2125's "as described by the Rules" already implied the added clause (i.e. a rule had to have "by announcement" or another explicit method in order to for the performance to be "described"). But Aris found that it didn't, instead, e found that CAN with no method implied "CAN by announcement" (that's my memory, maybe it's wildly off, I didn't see the CFJ on my first look through?) Since that judgement was counter-intuitive to how we'd been playing, the proposal above was a legislative clarification to put things back to the way we'd been playing before the judgement. But it was also sort of a referendum on whether we wanted to play that way or not. I can't remember any strong arguments either way. -G.
