[R. Lee: I sent this privately first, I don't mean to badger you, but I know gmail has some issues marking stuff as spam]

I'm sorry, I know it probably isn't the most polite (or most effective) thing to interrogate people about votes, but that apparently won't stop me from trying.

Is there any way I could get you to not vote AGAINST on 8208? I really think that the proposal would be a good thing because it (partially) unifies rules/contracts/regulations, even though it adds a good bit of text.

I know you said that you liked it before (or at least an earlier version of it), but you couldn't vote for it because of your anti-rule lengthening oath (which, by my count, expires today); is that still true?

Jason Cobb

On 7/16/19 10:19 AM, Rebecca wrote:
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:04 PM Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote as follows and act on Halian's  behalf to make em vote to endorse R.
Lee
8188A  G.                     3.0   Blanket Denial
FOR
8189A  Jason Cobb             1.7   Rule 2479 Cleanup (v1.2)
FOR
8190A  G., D Margaux          2.0   Report Rewards
FOR
8191A  R. Lee                 1.1   Spaceships
FOR
8192A  G.                     1.0   auctions have fees
FOR
8195A  Aris, omd, Jason Cobb  3.0   Timeline Control Ordnance v2
PRESENT
8202   Jason Cobb             1.7   Police Power
FOR
8203   Jason Cobb             2.0   Fixing Summary Judgement
FOR
8204   R. Lee                 1.0   SMH @ Herald
FOR
8205   R. Lee                 1.7   Timing proposal w/ no effect
FOR
8206   Jason Cobb             2.0   Rule 2472 Simplification
PRESENT
8207   G.                     [1]   no power is all powerful
PRESENT
8208   Jason Cobb, [2]        3.0   Regulated actions reform (v2)
AGAINST
8209   D Margaux, [3]         2.0   AFK Reform Act v1.1
FOR, hope this passes, it would be 10/10
8210   Jason Cobb             2.5   Single-party Contracts
AGAINST
8211   G.                     3.0   Law School
FOR
8212   Jason Cobb             3.0   Rule Recreation Reversal
FOR
8213   nch                    1.0   Space Fixes
FOR
8214   nch                    1.0   Space Isn't Linear
FOR, I love this

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 8:41 PM D. Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com> wrote:

Votes are below.

Sorry if someone already raised this specifically, but CoE on the
promotor
distribution: If 8207 is a proposal at all, then it does have an AI per
Rule 1950:  "Adoption index (AI) is an untracked switch possessed by
Agoran
decisions and proposals. ...  Adoption index is an essential parameter of
an Agoran decision if that decision has an adoption index."

In the votes below, "FOR UNLESS" is a shorthand for "conditional vote
FOR,
unless a line item veto has been exercised for this proposal, in which
case
AGAINST."

I vote as follows:

On Jul 15, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).

ID     Author(s)              AI    Title

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8188A  G.                     3.0   Blanket Denial
FOR UNLESS

8189A  Jason Cobb             1.7   Rule 2479 Cleanup (v1.2)
FOR UNLESS

8190A  G., D Margaux          2.0   Report Rewards
FOR UNLESS

8191A  R. Lee                 1.1   Spaceships
FOR UNLESS

8192A  G.                     1.0   auctions have fees
FOR UNLESS

8195A  Aris, omd, Jason Cobb  3.0   Timeline Control Ordnance v2
FOR UNLESS

8202   Jason Cobb             1.7   Police Power
FOR UNLESS

8203   Jason Cobb             2.0   Fixing Summary Judgement
PRESENT

8204   R. Lee                 1.0   SMH @ Herald
FOR UNLESS

8205   R. Lee                 1.7   Timing proposal w/ no effect
FOR UNLESS

8206   Jason Cobb             2.0   Rule 2472 Simplification
AGAINST
If I recall correctly, per a CFJ that defeated a scam I ran, the wording
here matters because the Speaker CAN delay a "with Notice" action by
objecting, but e CANNOT delay an action that doesn't use the Agoran
Satisfaction method.


8207   G.                     [1]   no power is all powerful
TANGELO

8208   Jason Cobb, [2]        3.0   Regulated actions reform (v2)
PRESENT
I'm sure this is an excellent proposal, but it's 6:30 am my local time,
and I'm too sleepy to read it carefully enough to feel comfortable voting
on it.

8209   D Margaux, [3]         2.0   AFK Reform Act v1.1
FOR UNLESS

8210   Jason Cobb             2.5   Single-party Contracts
FOR UNLESS
I think this could actually be a fun new mechanic.

8211   G.                     3.0   Law School
FOR UNLESS

8212   Jason Cobb             3.0   Rule Recreation Reversal
PRESENT
Havent been following the background on this proposal.

8213   nch                    1.0   Space Fixes
FOR UNLESS

8214   nch                    1.0   Space Isn't Linear
FOR UNLESS




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ID: 8188
Title: Blanket Denial
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 2201 (Self-Ratification) by replacing:
  do one of the following in a timely fashion:
with
  do one of the following in a timely fashion, in an announcement
  that clearly cites the claim of error:

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ID: 8189
Title: Rule 2479 Cleanup (v1.2)
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 2479 ("Official Justice") as follows:

Replace the text

The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose
Summary Judgment on a person who plays the game by levying a fine
of up to 2 blots on em. Summary Judgement is imposed on the
Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any official
proceeding.
with the text

Subject to the provisions of this rule, the Referee CAN, by
announcement,
impose Summary Judgment on a player. When e does so, e levies a fine
of
up to 2 Blots on em. If e does not specify the number of Blots in the
fine,
the attempt to impose Summary Judgment is INEFFECTIVE. Summary
Judgement is
imposed on the Referee's own initiative, and not in response to any
official proceeding.
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ID: 8190
Title: Report Rewards
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: G.
Co-authors: D Margaux


Amend Rule 1006 (Offices) by prepending the following text to the 1st
paragraph:
  An Office is a position described as an Office by the Rules.

Amend Rule 2496 (Rewards) by replacing:
  * Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: 5 coins. For each office,
    this reward can only be claimed for the first weekly report
    published in a week and the first monthly report published in a
    month.
with:
  * Publishing an office's weekly or monthly report, provided that
    publication was the first report published for that office in
    the relevant time period (week or month respectively) to fulfill
    an official weekly or monthly duty: 5 coins.

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ID: 8191
Title: Spaceships
Adoption index: 1.1
Author: R. Lee
Co-authors:


Create a spaceship in the possession of each player without a
spaceship

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ID: 8192
Title: auctions have fees
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


[The payment rule for auctions just says that if you happen to have an
auction debt, if you pay Agora under any circumstances, it triggers
stuff.  This means, if someone happens to have two auction debts, they
can make one payment and it would count for both.  This brings things
into line.]

Amend Rule 2551 (Auction End) by replacing:
  The winner of a lot SHALL pay the Auctioneer the number of the
  Auction's currency equal to eir bid, in a single payment, in a
  timely fashion.
with:
  The winner of the lot SHALL, in a timely fashion, pay a fee (the
  number of the Auction's currency equal to eir bid) to the
  Auctioneer in order to satisfy eir auction debt.

[This makes "satisfying eir auction debt" a fee-based action governed
under R2579, which didn't exist when the auction rules were written.
R2579 then takes care of the various CANs and method details.  The
transfer of the lots is then a consequence of "satisfying eir auction
debt"].

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ID: 8195
Title: Timeline Control Ordnance v2
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Aris
Co-authors:


Enact a new power 3.1 Rule, entitled "Timelines", with the following
text:
  A timeline is a temporal sequence of events and states.

  The Objective Timeline is the timeline of matters as they actually
happened.
  On the Objective Timeline, the consequences of an event are determined
  based on the conditions actually in effect, under Agoran law, when
that
event
  occurred. The Objective Timeline is not part of the gamestate;
instead,
it
  is the recording of events on reality itself, and changing it
retroactively
  without actual time travel is thus IMPOSSIBLE, rules to the contrary
  notwithstanding.

  The Standard Timeline is the timeline used for the purposes of
ordinary
  gameplay. By default, the Standard Timeline is defined by events and
their
  consequences in the same way that the Objective Timeline is. However,
  the Standard Timeline is part of the gamestate. Accordingly, it can be
  modified retroactively; such retroactive modifications are secured
  at power 3.

  Attempted retroactive changes are to be interpreted as attempts to
change the
  Standard Timeline. All changes are to be interpreted as prospective
unless
  they are explicitly retroactive.

  By default, any entity with a power less than the power of this rule
that
  refers to the past, present, or future is to be interpreted as
referring to
  the Standard Timeline; however, entities may explicitly reference
  different timelines.

Amend Rule 1551, "Ratification" by changing the text "the gamestate is
modified"
to read "the gamestate is retroactively modified".

Amend Rule 591, "Delivering Judgements", by changing the text

  "The valid judgements for an inquiry case are as follows, based on
  the facts and legal situation at the time the inquiry case was
  initiated, not taking into account any events since that time:"

to read

  "The judgement of an inquiry case should be based on the facts and
legal
  situation as they objectively existed at the time the inquiry case was
  initiated, not taking into account any events or retroactive
modifications
  since that time.

  The valid judgements for an inquiry case are as follows:"

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ID: 8202
Title: Police Power
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


In Rule 2557, replace the first paragraph with:

  When the rules authorize an investigator to impose the Cold Hand
  of Justice for a violation, e CAN do so by levying a fine of B on
  the perp by announcement, within the following guidelines:

and add a new list item at the start of the list (that is, right after
the first paragraph), with the text:

  - B is at least 1 and at most twice the base value of the
    violation.

Retitle Rule 2557 to "Sentencing Guidelines".

[Comment: Rule 2557 is currently titled "Removing Blots". When I tried
to understand why, I noticed that the 2018-04-07 SLR lists two Rule
2557s, one of which actually is about removing blots, and the other of
which is titled "Sentencing Guidelines". The next SLR I could find is
published much later, 2018-10-14, and has R2557 in or close to its
current form. I don't know exactly what happened there.]

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ID: 8203
Title: Fixing Summary Judgement
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 2531 ("Referee Accountability") as follows:

  After list item (1) insert the following phrase: "Any attempt to
  levy a fine pursuant to the imposition of the Cold Hand of Justice
  is INEFFECTIVE if:"

  Renumber list items (2) - (8) to be items (1) - (7) in the new list.

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ID: 8204
Title: SMH @ Herald
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: R. Lee
Co-authors:


1. Halve (rounding towards 0) the Karma of every Unregistered person.

2. Set the Karma of Agora such that the sum of all Karma switch
instance values in the game is equal to 0.

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ID: 8205
Title: Timing proposal w/ no effect
Adoption index: 1.7
Author: R. Lee
Co-authors:


R. Lee pledges to timely transfer half of the money e gains from  the
adoption of this proposal to the last person to vote FOR this proposal.

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ID: 8206
Title: Rule 2472 Simplification
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


[Comment: use "with Notice" instead of writing it out.]

Replace the last paragraph of Rule 2472 ("Office Incompatibilities")
with the following paragraph:

  If a player is Overpowered, any player CAN, with Notice, Demand
  Resignation from em. When this occurs, each office that the
  Overpowered player holds becomes vacant.

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ID: 8207
Title: no power is all powerful
Adoption index: none
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Create the following Rule, "Supreme Power", Power=4:

  G. CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate by announcement.

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ID: 8208
Title: Regulated actions reform (v2)
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors: Aris, omd, G., Falsifian


[Comment: see proto thread for changes and rationales.]


Amend Rule 2493 ("Regulations") as follows:

  Append the following text to the first paragraph: "Regulations are
  binding."


Amend Rule 1742 ("Contracts") as follows:

  Append the following sentence to the first paragraph: "Contracts are
  binding."


Amend Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions") to read:

  An entity is binding if and only if the Rules designate it as such.
  The Rules as a whole is an entity that is binding; this entity is
  known as the ruleset.

  An action is regulated by a binding entity if: (1) the entity
  directly and explicitly defines, limits, allows, enables, permits,
  forbids, or requires its performance; (2) the entity describes the
  circumstances under which the action would succeed or fail; or (3)
  the action would, as part of its effect, modify information for
  which the entity requires some player to be a "recordkeepor".

  When a binding entity explicitly defines an action, describes the
  possibility of performing an action, or describes the methods by
  which an action can be performed, it creates an action that is
  distinct from all other actions; the binding entity is said to "own"
  this created action. A binding entity CAN only state that it
  requires or forbids an action that it does not own; it CANNOT modify
  any other properties of the action.

  An action that is owned by a binding entity CAN only be performed as
  described by the entity, and only using the methods explicitly
  specified in the entity for performing the given action.
  Interpretations that result in the entity directly proscribing
  actions that are not regulated by it are invalid.


Retitle Rule 2125 to "Binding Entities".

Set the power of Rule 2125 to 3.1.

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ID: 8209
Title: AFK Reform Act v1.1
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: D Margaux
Co-authors: G., Jason Cobb


Amend rule 2532 as follows:

Add this sentence:

  "A player CAN by announcement pay 10 coins to Agora to flip to emself
  another player's master switch without objection from that other
player
  or that other player's master (if any), provided the intent to flip
that
  switch was announced at least 7 days before the switch is flipped."

Immediately following this sentence:

  "A zombie's master CAN flip that zombie's master switch to Agora
  by announcement."

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ID: 8210
Title: Single-party Contracts
Adoption index: 2.5
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 1742 ("Contracts") by replacing the text "Any group of two
or
more" with the text "Any group of one or more".

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ID: 8211
Title: Law School
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


In R1367, Insert the following line between the line starting
"- Associate" and the line starting "- Bachelor":
    - Juris Doctor of Nomic                  (J.N.)

In R1367, Insert the following line between the line starting
"- Doctor of Nomic History" and the line starting
"- Doctor of Nomic Science":
    - Doctor of Nomic Law                (D.N.Law.)

If Falsifian has not been awarded a degree, Award Falsifian the degree
of J.N.

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ID: 8212
Title: Rule Recreation Reversal
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Repeal Rule 2517.

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ID: 8213
Title: Space Fixes
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason Cobb
Co-authors:


Amend rule 2591 "Spaceships" by changing:

  * Armour (an integer switch limited to values less than or equal to
    10).

to:

  * Armour (an integer switch limited to values less than or equal to
    10, defaulting to 10).

and by appending the following to the end of the rule:

  If a player does not have a spaceship in eir possession e CAN, by
  announcement, create a spaceship in eir possession.

Flip every spaceships' Armour switch to 10.


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ID: 8214
Title: Space Isn't Linear
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: nch
Co-authors:


Amend rule 2588 "Sectors" by appending, after the final sentence, the
following:

  If a sector exists with an ID equivalent to the current month of
  the year, and a sector exists with an ID equivalent to the current day
  of the month then those sectors are adjacent.

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--
 From R. Lee


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