On 01/15/2010 10:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
mechanism, and can't cause incorrect voting reports to make proposals
be adopted. It's a straightforward conflict with R208, and R208 wins.
How exactly does ratification get around a rule that directly contradicts
it?
-G.
As I've said, I believe ratification follows the principle of most
action; all of a ratification does not necessarily fail because a single
part of it does. As such, when a ratification takes place, it will amend
the game state as the proposal would when it was adopted (actually, not
even that; it will amend it to what it would now be had that proposal
being adopted, taking into account intervening actions). While it is
incapable of changing the outcome of the Agoran Decision, that is
orthogonal to whether it can change the rest of the gamestate (note that
ratification may not be able to amend more than 1 rule in any event, but
it's not relevant to the issue of proposals).
Furthermore, if there is some magic 'resolved' flag on an Agoran
Decision, it will set that flag, meaning it can no longer be resolved.
If the resolvedness of an Agoran Decision is instead based on history,
then it can't be changed (since game history is not part of the game state).
Oh boy, now that I look, it appears that proposal adoption is actually
platonic; this is not a good thing.
Proto: HotFix (AI=3, II=1)
{{{
Change the power of Rule 1698 (Agora is a Nomic) to 3.14159.
Change the power of Rule 1551 (Ratification) to 3.1.
[It is intentional that other Rules, in particular 105, remain at 3].
Amend Rule 1551 (Ratification) to read as follows:
{{
A public document is part (possibly all) of a public message.
When a public document is ratified, the gamestate is modified to
what it would be if, at the time of that document's publication,
it had been completely true and accurate, notwithstanding that if
that were the case, the ratification might not have occurred.
This does not change anything retroactively, nor does it amend
facts that exist independently of these rules or create a legal
fiction to replace them.
All parts of a ratification occur simultaneously. No effect
occurs indirectly due to the changes made in a ratification, as
all such effects will have been taken into account in the
ratification itself and repeating them would go against its
purpose. Indirect effects may still occur based on the new state
after the ratification is complete. If any part of a ratification
would be unsuccessful, the remainder is unaffected and is still
completed.
Ratifying a public document is secured at power threshold 3.
}}
Amend Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals) by replacing
{{
If the option selected by Agora on this decision is ADOPTED,
then the proposal is adopted, and unless other rules prevent it
from taking effect, its power is set to the minimum of four and
its adoption index, and then it takes effect. It does not
otherwise take effect.
}}
with
{{
When an Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal is resolved with an
outcome of ADOPTED, then the proposal is adopted, and unless
other rules prevent it from taking effect, its power is set to
the minimum of four and its adoption index, and then it takes
effect. Proposals do not otherwise take effect.
}}
Amend Rule 208 (Resolving Agoran decisions) by replacing
{{
This rule takes precedence over any rule that would provide
another mechanism by which an Agoran decision may be resolved.
}}
with
{{
This rule provides the only mechanism by which an Agoran Decision
can be resolved, and it takes precedence over any rule that would
provide another mechanism for an Agoran Decision to be resolved.
}}
and also by replacing
{{
(b) It clearly identifies the matter to be resolved.
}}
with
{{
(b) It clearly identifies the matter to be decided.
}}
}}}
and also by prepending the following paragrah:
{{
Every Agoran Decision is either resolved or unresolved.
}}
[The addition of this definition should make it clear that the property
of 'resolvedness' exists within the rules and thus within the scope of
ratification.]
Amend Rule 2034 (Vote Protection and Cutoff for Challenges by replacing
{{
c) (if the indicated outcome was to adopt a proposal) such a
proposal existed, was adopted, and took effect.
}}
with
{{
c) unless otherwise specified, that any effects directly
associated with the resolution of that Agoran decision did or
did not occur, as appropriate to the outcome.
}}
[This makes additional safeties; it ratifies that proposals that are
REJECTED are ratified out, that office elections are ratified, and
anything else that my arise. At the same time, it does not apply
indirectly for safety.]
}}}
