Too much responding without sufficient thought. After a week of thought
regarding earlier postings on this thread...

Genuine computation involves manipulating numerically expressible value
(e.g. 0.62), dimensionality (e.g. probability), and significance (e.g. +/-
0.1). Outputs of biological neurons appear to fit this model.

HOWEVER, much of AI does NOT fit this model - yet still appears to "work".
If this is useful than use it, but there usually is no path to better
solutions. You can't directly understand, optimize, adapt, debug, etc.,
because it is difficult/impossible to wrap your brain around quantities
representing nothing.

Manipulations that don't fit this model are numerology, not mathematics,
akin to bring astrology instead of astronomy.

It seems perfectly obvious to me that AGI, when it comes into being, will
involve NO numerological faux "computation".

Sure, learning could involve developing entirely new computation, but it
would have to perform potentially valid computations on it's inputs. For
example, adding probabilities is NOT valid, but ORing them could be valid.

Steve

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 8:22 AM Alan Grimes via AGI <[email protected]>
wrote:

> It has the basic structure and organization of a conscious agent,
> obviously it lacks the other ingredients required to produce a complete
> mind.
>
> Stefan Reich via AGI wrote:
> > Prednet develops consciousness?
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 06:51 Alan Grimes via AGI <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> >     Yay, it seems peeps are finally ready to talk about this!! =P
> >
> >
> >     Lets see if I can fool anyone into thinking I'm actually making
> >     sense by
> >     starting with a first principles approach... Permalink
> >     <
> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T395236743964cb4b-M686d9fcf7662ad8dc2fc1130
> >
> >
> >
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