Satellite has a planned obsolescence so will maintain cyclical growth, but
will hit the same hurdles. Still a better placement of fed money than fixed
wireless, but not the same as fiber
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:09 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
> OK, I see.
>
>
>
> BTW, what would you say about satellite?
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>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Can you meet the FCC minimums today, at the same distances as you could
> when the minimums came in? Nope. You would have to get closer to the
> customer., that means buildout. and when the minimum is inevitably 500 mb,
> youll buildout again, and when its a gig, youll build out again,
> getting closer and closer and closer to the customer each time.
>
> Fiber, you just swap some electronics for the most part.
>
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>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why fiber is just some electronics but wireless
> requires a buildout. Aren’t they both just some electronics, but one
> requires installing a long piece of glass, while the other just goes
> through the air? Or free space, as in “free space loss”? The difference
> in my mind is that you don’t need the FCC to sell you spectrum over glass.
>
>
>
> “You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his
> tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand
> this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they
> receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.”
>
> ― *Albert Einstein*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Some of the early multimode was monofilament fishing line. It was not
> glass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
> On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Not really. Early versions of fiber were much larger diameter.
>
> I worked for a company that had implemented fiber internally back in the
> 80s, but could not use it when the fiber got thinner and none of the new
> connectors would work on the old fat stuff.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/23/2025 5:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> fiber installed in the 80s is capable of ten gig. the infrastructure stays
> the same as technology grows. when I started in wireless we could serve
> most anybody with good capacity 15 to 20 miles out all day long. fiber is
> just some electronics, wireless requires build outs. not a drop of tax
> dollar should go to that
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 1:12 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G.
> Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have
> AE so they can do 100G to start with.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the same
> Infrastructure.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are sufficiently
> served? How does that make any sense?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have allowed
> technology with a short shelf life
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well....
>
>
>
> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5
>
>
>
> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules interpreted the
> bill to mean that only FTTH would meet the performance and future-proofing
> requirements. He is claiming that there are proposed rule changes that
> will allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't know whether the
> changes *intentionally* benefit Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and
> felt strongly enough about it to resign over it.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the E stands for
> Equity and DEI is now banned.
>
>
>
> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD?
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