you can buy whatever you want with your own money.
the requirements aren't services sold, it's serviceability, yet another
wasteful federal spend.
don't conflate private spending with taxpayer spending. when the next
iteration of minimum comes out, tarana even won't cover the same range and
capacity, so ne, closer sites will have to be built and the taxpayer spend
will no longer have any value. satellite, who already was replacing the
bird will simply send up new tech birds over the same footprint, fiber will
just install the new electronics on the same footprint.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 10:31 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
> At one time though Tarana was everyone’s darling because it would let them
> sell 100/20 plans and get all that federal money (to pay for the expensive
> equipment). So Steve, are you saying I shouldn’t buy Tarana stock?
>
>
>
> Oh, and one random thought. Just because you offer faster plans doesn’t
> mean everyone subscribes to them. So it may be possible to overlay the FWA
> equipment and keep 80% of it running for 10+ years. Kind of like going
> from GPON to 10GPON but you don’t necessarily change out the bulk of CPE.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2025 10:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> not at all, I'm saying new infrastructure as in new locations are required
> as new iterations of minimums come out. satellite, being a planned
> obsolescence with scheduled updates allows for the continuous forward path
> in the same footprint.
>
> I'm not saying fed dough should go there, I'm saying it shouldn't exist.
> but if it's going anywhere that's not fiber, it shouldn't definetly not go
> to terrestrial FW that won't have a physical footprint capable.
>
> it definetly shouldn't be going to 14k access points for 2 customers since
> it will never ROI before end of equipment life, and will require a new
> handout.
>
>
>
> terrestrial FW has the shortest shelf life built into the plant lifespan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 7:48 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> If you're saying BEAD should help Starlink buy more/newer/better
> satellites then I could at least see a rational argument for that, but
> those satellites are only intended to have a 5-year lifespan, so I don't
> see how that's any different than funding fixed wireless. And historically
> when they awarded grants to satellite it was used to subsidize CPE
> installation. To me that's a copout. It's not building infrastructure;
> it's just inflating numbers so they can go on TV (or Xwitter) and say they
> provided broadband to twice as many people as they actually did.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 10:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Satellite has a planned obsolescence so will maintain cyclical growth, but
> will hit the same hurdles. Still a better placement of fed money than fixed
> wireless, but not the same as fiber
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:09 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> OK, I see.
>
>
>
> BTW, what would you say about satellite?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 24, 2025 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Can you meet the FCC minimums today, at the same distances as you could
> when the minimums came in? Nope. You would have to get closer to the
> customer., that means buildout. and when the minimum is inevitably 500 mb,
> youll buildout again, and when its a gig, youll build out again,
> getting closer and closer and closer to the customer each time.
>
> Fiber, you just swap some electronics for the most part.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why fiber is just some electronics but wireless
> requires a buildout. Aren’t they both just some electronics, but one
> requires installing a long piece of glass, while the other just goes
> through the air? Or free space, as in “free space loss”? The difference
> in my mind is that you don’t need the FCC to sell you spectrum over glass.
>
>
>
> “You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his
> tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand
> this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they
> receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.”
>
> ― *Albert Einstein*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 23, 2025 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> Some of the early multimode was monofilament fishing line. It was not
> glass.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2025, at 8:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not really. Early versions of fiber were much larger diameter.
>
> I worked for a company that had implemented fiber internally back in the
> 80s, but could not use it when the fiber got thinner and none of the new
> connectors would work on the old fat stuff.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/23/2025 5:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> fiber installed in the 80s is capable of ten gig. the infrastructure stays
> the same as technology grows. when I started in wireless we could serve
> most anybody with good capacity 15 to 20 miles out all day long. fiber is
> just some electronics, wireless requires build outs. not a drop of tax
> dollar should go to that
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 1:12 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G.
> Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should have
> AE so they can do 100G to start with.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the same
> Infrastructure.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are sufficiently
> served? How does that make any sense?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have allowed
> technology with a short shelf life
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well....
>
>
>
> https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5
>
>
>
> The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules interpreted the
> bill to mean that only FTTH would meet the performance and future-proofing
> requirements. He is claiming that there are proposed rule changes that
> will allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't know whether the
> changes *intentionally* benefit Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and
> felt strongly enough about it to resign over it.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD
>
>
>
> I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the E stands for
> Equity and DEI is now banned.
>
>
>
> But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD?
>
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