Once you're tall enough to ride, the contractors really rake you over the coals compared to actual costs. They'll bid a bunch of money, then scramble to find sub-contractors that actually do the work, collecting half of the money for themselves... or if they don't, they charge like the people that do and keep even more margin in their pockets.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 4:24:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BEAD Do we think when Tesla Optimus robots are mass produced in a few years, that some of the manual labor can be replaced with robots? That would drive down fiber construction cost considerably. Instead of 5 guys per drill crew, it could be 1-2 guys and the rest are robots. On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 3:50 PM dbernardi < dberna...@zitomedia.net > wrote: But the expensive/important part (fiber) is in place. If the gubment is going to piss away tax dollars for unserved/underserved broadband, fiber construction seems like a decent urinal. XGS-PON can co-exist with GPON on the same fiber so eventual upgrades are fairly easy. Do combo GPON/XGS-PON at the OLT out of the gate so a CPE swap is the only thing require for an upgrade to a shared 10Gb service. When XGS-PON isn't enough bandwidth for the 32 subscribers on a PON, I'd rather replace equipment at either end than deal with another construction project. Or do a 1:16 split. Preparing for AE when doing the construction is probably worthwhile too even if you only light for PON initially, or mix/match. The cost of deploying high count fiber cable isn't that significant in the big picture. And why does fiber construction have to be so (artificially?) expensive. Buy America will certainly make broadband deployments more expensive but that's a good thing if it truly provides jobs and manufacturing investment, but I have my doubts. On 3/21/2025 2:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Is GPON good enough? That can only do gigabit and each port is 2.5G. > Should these projects require NGPON? Or maybe every location should > have AE so they can do 100G to start with. > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 2:01 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > <mailto: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >> wrote: > > Because in X years they won't be. With fiber they will be upon the > same Infrastructure. > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 10:59 AM Josh Luthman > < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto: j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >> > wrote: > > But people that currently have fixed wireless of 100x20 are > sufficiently served? How does that make any sense? > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 11:44 AM Steve Jones > < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >> > wrote: > > they should not allow fixed wireless, they never should have > allowed technology with a short shelf life > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett > < dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto: dmmoff...@gmail.com >> wrote: > > Well.... > > https://bsky.app/profile/craigsilverman.bsky.social/ > post/3lkiye5n2dk2p < https://bsky.app/profile/ > craigsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lkiye5n2dk2p> > > https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5 > < https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/seq3uoU1L5 > > > The director of BEAD quit. He says the previous rules > interpreted the bill to mean that only FTTH would meet > the performance and future-proofing requirements. He is > claiming that there are proposed rule changes that will > allow Starlink but not allow fixed wireless. I don't > know whether the changes /intentionally/ benefit > Starlink, but this guy is crying foul and felt strongly > enough about it to resign over it. > > -Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:19 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* [AFMUG] BEAD > > I’m surprised BEAD hasn’t run into problems because the > E stands for Equity and DEI is now banned. > > But if they eliminate the E, would it just be BAD? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto: AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > < http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto: AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > < http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto: AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// > af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto: AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <http:// > af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
