On Feb 6, 2025, at 9:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
When I started out, drawings were done by hand and PCB layouts
were done with black or red/blue tape. Copies were made on a
blueline machine using ammonia.
I mostly worked in or managed electronic design groups although
at a few companies I also had mechanical engineering and PCB
design reporting to me. On the EE side we mostly went to printing
B size (11x17) on laser printers. The drawings might have been D
size but you can print them as B size, and you can print C size as A.
But yes, to actually print C, D and E size you’re talking a pen
plotter or inkjet printer like Chuck is talking about. I doubt
they make laser printers that big. I don’t see any here:
https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mlp/printers/large-format-printers
I do vaguely recall pen plotters but not color ones. The only
color engineering drawings I remember were the red and blue taped
double sided PCB layouts. I’m sure that has changed by now.
Like Chuck says, the large format printers are very reliable,
it’s just frustrating (and probably illegal) what HP is doing to
lock out third party ink cartridges.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2025 7:48 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
This has been the best large format printer I have ever had.
Previously I would spend more time running print head cleaning
cycles than printing if not used daily. This one generally works
every time. Even if it has been a month. I have have been
printing D size for close to 40 years. Back in the pen plotter
days. So other than this snafu, happy with the printer.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2025, at 6:36 PM, Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net>
wrote:
I called support about it, opened the window (on the 3rd
floor) and defenestrated the printer while support was on the
phone telling me to reboot the computer. What's that noise
they asked?, me opening the window and me throwing your
product out the window! You can't do that! I just did!
Weren't you listening? That's what I think of your product, bye!
You should have heard it smash, a real satisfying crash sound.
I then bought a Brother multi-function color laser printer
and never been happier. Toner doesn't go dry waiting for
next month's billing cycle and it seems to last forever.
Best ROI for office expense I ever made. Toner might cost a
little more than ink, but it lasts for many more print jobs
and doesn't dry out and clog jets.
On 2/6/25 16:25, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
If the HP quarterly report is not looking good, they send
out a message to all the printers to expire all the print
cartridges...
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Thursday, February 6, 2025 5:14 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
Sounds like something that could be hacked.
What HP does to generate ink revenue is annoying.
Everyone finds it annoying, many articles have been
written about it. I find at least a dozen things every
day annoying. I find I have to choose my battles, and
just give in most of the time.
If you only print in black, I’m not sure how you ran out
of color ink, but it seems like buying one set of HP
brand ink would be a one time purchase. How much would
that cost? I know all 3 color toners for a laser printer
is a lot of money.
I wonder if there are places that use a hypodermic needle
to refill genuine HP cartridges. Maybe HP uses some other
method than checking if the cartridge is empty.
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2025 3:36 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
Make sure you specify to print in black next time,
otherwise it uses all 3 colors to make #000001 instead of
the black cartridge.
The most expensive liquid is ink.
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 4:04 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
Went to print a D size drawing. HP said that my
three color cartridges were empty. I never print in
color... I had some off brand replacements, it
rejected all of them as defective...
What a racket.
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