Chuck find a x476dw or x576dw on Facebook marketplace and buy the 4l tank
from proinkshop, I've had mine printing hundreds of pages a month for
almost 10 years and it's only half empty!

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 3:22 AM Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

> My main printer is a nice Sharp printer/scanner that will do B size.  I do
> as much as I can with that.  But when I have a large part that needs a 1:1
> check plot for fit I use the large printer.  I had a color pen plotter.
> Had a pen magazine.  When I was in college, autocad was brand new.  Doing
> PCB layout on a computer sure beat tape and xacto knifes.  I don’t think
> auto routers had been invented yet.  I still do lots of hand optimism.  I
> let the auto router do power planes, then hand edit them.  Then let it do
> the other layers.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 6, 2025, at 9:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> When I started out, drawings were done by hand and PCB layouts were done
> with black or red/blue tape.  Copies were made on a blueline machine using
> ammonia.
>
>
>
> I mostly worked in or managed electronic design groups although at a few
> companies I also had mechanical engineering and PCB design reporting to
> me.  On the EE side we mostly went to printing B size (11x17) on laser
> printers.  The drawings might have been D size but you can print them as B
> size, and you can print C size as A.
>
>
>
> But yes, to actually print C, D and E size you’re talking a pen plotter or
> inkjet printer like Chuck is talking about.  I doubt they make laser
> printers that big.  I don’t see any here:
>
> https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mlp/printers/large-format-printers
>
>
>
> I do vaguely recall pen plotters but not color ones.  The only color
> engineering drawings I remember were the red and blue taped double sided
> PCB layouts.  I’m sure that has changed by now.
>
>
>
> Like Chuck says, the large format printers are very reliable, it’s just
> frustrating (and probably illegal) what HP is doing to lock out third party
> ink cartridges.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2025 7:48 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
>
>
>
> This has been the best large format printer I have ever had.  Previously I
> would spend more time running print head cleaning cycles than printing if
> not used daily.  This one generally works every time.  Even if it has been
> a month.  I have have been printing D size for close to 40 years.  Back in
> the pen plotter days.  So other than this snafu, happy with the printer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2025, at 6:36 PM, Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I called support about it, opened the window (on the 3rd floor) and
> defenestrated the printer while support was on the phone telling me to
> reboot the computer.  What's that noise they asked?, me opening the window
> and me throwing your product out the window!  You can't do that! I just
> did!  Weren't you listening?  That's what I think of your product, bye!
>
> You should have heard it smash, a real satisfying crash sound.
>
> I then bought a Brother multi-function color laser printer and never been
> happier.  Toner doesn't go dry waiting for next month's billing cycle and
> it seems to last forever.  Best ROI for office expense I ever made.  Toner
> might cost a little more than ink, but it lasts for many more print jobs
> and doesn't dry out and clog jets.
>
> On 2/6/25 16:25, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> If the HP quarterly report is not looking good, they send out a message to
> all the printers to expire all the print cartridges...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2025 5:14 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
>
>
>
> Sounds like something that could be hacked.
>
>
>
> What HP does to generate ink revenue is annoying.  Everyone finds it
> annoying, many articles have been written about it.  I find at least a
> dozen things every day annoying.  I find I have to choose my battles, and
> just give in most of the time.
>
>
>
> If you only print in black, I’m not sure how you ran out of color ink, but
> it seems like buying one set of HP brand ink would be a one time purchase.
> How much would that cost?  I know all 3 color toners for a laser printer is
> a lot of money.
>
>
>
> I wonder if there are places that use a hypodermic needle to refill
> genuine HP cartridges.  Maybe HP uses some other method than checking if
> the cartridge is empty.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2025 3:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet
>
>
>
> Make sure you specify to print in black next time, otherwise it uses all 3
> colors to make #000001 instead of the black cartridge.
>
>
>
> The most expensive liquid is ink.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 4:04 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
> Went to print a D size drawing.  HP said that my three color cartridges
> were empty.  I never print in color...  I had some off brand replacements,
> it rejected all of them as defective...
>
>
>
> What a racket.
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