When I started out, drawings were done by hand and PCB layouts were done with black or red/blue tape. Copies were made on a blueline machine using ammonia.
I mostly worked in or managed electronic design groups although at a few companies I also had mechanical engineering and PCB design reporting to me. On the EE side we mostly went to printing B size (11x17) on laser printers. The drawings might have been D size but you can print them as B size, and you can print C size as A. But yes, to actually print C, D and E size you’re talking a pen plotter or inkjet printer like Chuck is talking about. I doubt they make laser printers that big. I don’t see any here: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mlp/printers/large-format-printers I do vaguely recall pen plotters but not color ones. The only color engineering drawings I remember were the red and blue taped double sided PCB layouts. I’m sure that has changed by now. Like Chuck says, the large format printers are very reliable, it’s just frustrating (and probably illegal) what HP is doing to lock out third party ink cartridges. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 7:48 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet This has been the best large format printer I have ever had. Previously I would spend more time running print head cleaning cycles than printing if not used daily. This one generally works every time. Even if it has been a month. I have have been printing D size for close to 40 years. Back in the pen plotter days. So other than this snafu, happy with the printer. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2025, at 6:36 PM, Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote: I called support about it, opened the window (on the 3rd floor) and defenestrated the printer while support was on the phone telling me to reboot the computer. What's that noise they asked?, me opening the window and me throwing your product out the window! You can't do that! I just did! Weren't you listening? That's what I think of your product, bye! You should have heard it smash, a real satisfying crash sound. I then bought a Brother multi-function color laser printer and never been happier. Toner doesn't go dry waiting for next month's billing cycle and it seems to last forever. Best ROI for office expense I ever made. Toner might cost a little more than ink, but it lasts for many more print jobs and doesn't dry out and clog jets. On 2/6/25 16:25, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: If the HP quarterly report is not looking good, they send out a message to all the printers to expire all the print cartridges... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 5:14 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet Sounds like something that could be hacked. What HP does to generate ink revenue is annoying. Everyone finds it annoying, many articles have been written about it. I find at least a dozen things every day annoying. I find I have to choose my battles, and just give in most of the time. If you only print in black, I’m not sure how you ran out of color ink, but it seems like buying one set of HP brand ink would be a one time purchase. How much would that cost? I know all 3 color toners for a laser printer is a lot of money. I wonder if there are places that use a hypodermic needle to refill genuine HP cartridges. Maybe HP uses some other method than checking if the cartridge is empty. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 3:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Inkjet Make sure you specify to print in black next time, otherwise it uses all 3 colors to make #000001 instead of the black cartridge. The most expensive liquid is ink. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 4:04 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote: Went to print a D size drawing. HP said that my three color cartridges were empty. I never print in color... I had some off brand replacements, it rejected all of them as defective... What a racket. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _____ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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