This all reminds me of when I worked for a company probably no one
remembers: Data General (AKA DG). They were a spin-off of the old Digital
Equipment Corporation (later called just DEC).
DG designed and built one of the original low-cost fixed hard drives. The
thing was about a foot tall, and slid on rails into a 19" cabinet. I don't
recall what the capacity was, but it was probably around 10MB (that gives
you an idea of what vintage it was). DG called it the NovaDisk. Some of you
might also recall that in certain latin countries the word "Nova" means
"Doesn't go". Oh man, truer words could not be spoken.
It had a large spring that would pull back the R/W heads in the event of
power off. Great idea, except that when it "sprung" into action, the R/W
heads would bounce up & down on their way off the discs. Eeesh.
Our field office had more dead NovaDisks than working ones in storage. What
a pure crap product.
The joke eventually became that a NovaDisk might be good as a boat anchor,
except that they would intermittently float.
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On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 11:36 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Telrad sold us very expensive equipment that didn’t really work. We were
> an early adopter of the Compact 1000 and we received it with show stopping
> bugs like base station crashing and requiring a power cycle to recover, and
> originally the bootup time was 20 minutes so I’ll tell you this sucked
> bad. Their MO was to deny our problems existed so I had to really hold
> their feet to the fire to get that one fixed. Over the next few years we
> saw incremental improvements, but we never got all of our problems
> addressed. They would tell us it was just us, nobody else has this
> problem. Then I got talking to other operators and found that EVERYONE has
> this problem and they’ve all been told they’re the only ones. When they
> finally released the promised MU-MIMO we never saw more than a few percent
> difference. My experience with Telrad was the first time I literally felt
> hatred for a whole company. My blood pressure still goes up if someone
> mentions them.
>
>
>
> Ubiquiti is the king of canceling products. Sometimes they replace it
> with something incompatible which requires a forklift upgrade (like the
> first two generations of their cameras), other times it just disappears
> forever. All of this is fine if it’s an old product and past it’s prime,
> but they have put things out there for a year or two and then dropped
> them. Woe be unto you if you bought it.
>
>
>
> Ever tried “channel optimization” in UniFi? Every time I’ve clicked that
> button I have a 10 minute outage on all AP’s and then when it’s done it
> puts every AP on the same channel. Go figure, when you shut down every AP
> in the building they’re all going to find the same quietest channel so
> apparently that feature is pointless and stupid. That was one glaring
> example, but they have other features that are just pointless smoke and
> mirrors.
>
>
>
> In general, Ubiquiti has a well polished exterior and they tend to be
> cheap and easy to use, but the actual products are hit or miss. There are
> some I’d use without reservation and others I don’t ever want to see
> again. AirFiber 5XHD is a great value, for example, but the entire UniFi
> product line can go die in a fire.
>
>
>
> Smart Bridges was an example someone mentioned earlier. Every single unit
> eventually leaked. Not a good quality for a product that’s supposed to
> live outdoors. KP Performance had those 6ft long 900mhz Yagis….I think all
> or nearly all of ours had an o-ring that would break down and leak. We
> could probably collectively list a few pages of products that were sold to
> us for outdoor use but they leaked, rusted, or decayed in UV.
>
>
>
> I’ve been disappointed by Cambium’s timelines and their handful of
> failures, but they never sold me a complete piece of shit. I thought for a
> while that the CAP320 was a piece of shit, but then I saw other people’s
> Wimax and realized how lucky I really was to have the luxury of the CAP320.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2024 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
>
>
> why wouldn't you name names? Reprisals? Nobody here is going to take
> offense. Or is it a test? Because everyone knows who throws shit against
> the walls and sees what sticks...
>
> On 10/23/24 9:38 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Cambium has never been first to market with anything, and the rest of what
> you’re saying is not wrong. What I have always appreciated about them is
> when the product hits the streets it’s a sensible design in a working and
> usable state. Generally they also deliver the management features I want,
> and the product remains supported for a long time. Without naming names
> (because we all know who they are), I’ve had other wireless companies sell
> me products with crippling bugs, features that literally don’t work,
> products that hit the market and then disappear in a year, no
> documentation, buggy software, and other smoke and mirrors tricks. I think
> you’re right that Cambium has talked up future products and then not
> delivered them, but in my opinion I’d rather they do that than sell me a
> thing that doesn’t work and then take it away next year after I’ve built a
> business around it.
>
>
>
> Maybe “selling a product that does what it says on the sticker” is a low
> bar, but it’s a bar some companies can’t seem to get past.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Tyson Burris
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2024 8:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
>
>
> Folks, I don’t give two shits what anyone says. The FSK and 430 combo was
> the first promise made and the first to be broken after the Motorola Canopy
> buyout. 450 wasn’t even in the works. I still have the emails explaining
> why it had to be abandoned.
>
>
>
> This company has a HISTORY of making promises that take years to unfold.
>
>
>
> Sergiu was saying they would have a Tarana killer in a year… two years
> later nothing.
>
>
>
> I helped Raymond James pump them to 50+ but then the failures and excuses
> just lined up. Took 2 million and ran.
>
>
>
> I said Matt needs to be fired years ago and here we are. Nothings going to
> change now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce
> Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 *
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>
>
>
>
> VIA WIRELESS
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2024, at 19:56, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> FSK was working in beta...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:47 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
> In my memory, the FSK was never functional. I may be wrong.
>
> Or perhaps you could not talk to FSK and QAM APs mixed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2024 2:38 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
>
>
> I still have APs with the FSK connector. Never opened one up, but someone
> told me there was electronics behind it, not just an N connector.
>
> Great example of a marketing feature that if it's late enough, customers
> no longer care, don't bother. Plug the hole and move on.
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "Shayne Lebrun"
> Sent: 10/22/2024 3:06:26 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
>
> Say, remember when we were supposed to get an AP that would talk both FSK
> and 450?
>
>
>
> *Shayne Lebrun *
>
> Senior Systems Analyst
>
> Support: supp...@lakelandnetworks.com 705-640-0556 | TF: 844-444-4249
>
> Direct: sleb...@lakelandnetworks.com 705-646-1846 x583 |
> https://www.lakelandnetworks.com/faqs/ <http://www.lakelandnetworks.com/>
>
> Lakeland Networks <http://www.lakelandnetworks.com/>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* October 21, 2024 5:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
>
>
> '
>
>
>
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> the sender.
>
> It seems to be promising everything, 3, 5, and 6 GHz. ePMP and PMP SMs can
> talk to it.
>
>
>
> Sounds like a great story. Let's see when it's on the shelves.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
>
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com>
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 21, 2024 4:43:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo
>
> First I've heard of it. Is this real or just kidding? Does it have an N
> connector labeled FSK?
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: 10/21/2024 4:20:31 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Evo <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> Is this the MM series? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 5:14?PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/evo/ <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
> No one talking about Cambium's new platform that'll talk to both PMP and
> ePMP? <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>
>
>
> -----
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> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
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