A mile?!  IDK how that's possible.  Every time we turn a new splitter on
the sequentials and OTDR are within a few feet - we lose a couple of feet
in butt splices and our sequentials end up wrong.  Every new reel gets
tested on delivery and it's right on.

When we had a broken fiber (ants) it was right on the case.  When we had a
broken fiber (ribbon got knicked with installation) it was between two
cases.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 3:48 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

> Wow, sometimes looking for gopher damager over 20 miles I have been off a
> mile.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2024 1:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables
>
> So far every time we've used the OTDR it's been accurate within 1 foot.
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 12:55 PM Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:
>
>> The only thing you have to worry about with shorter cables is the
>> reflection. In some instances with dirty connector at just the right
>> connector you can get reflection back in to the transmitter that can cause
>> errors, the tx to shut down or premature failure. This is very uncommon
>> with LR 10G and less optics and can be prevented from making sure you have
>> clean connectors. Check the RX and TX levels and make sure you don't have
>> excessive loss. With 100G its a little different story due to the combined
>> power of multiple channels, but still can be prevented by cleaning
>> connectors, but in some instances Ive had to use attenuation when mixing
>> different vendor optics.
>>
>> The using no launch on an OTDR most automatically calibrating OTDRs will
>> work without one. Your results can be off though. Most of the lower cost
>> ones are also lower powered and have less of an RX sensitivity so they
>> don't suffer as much from the reflections interfering when testing. I can
>> test all day long with my little otdrs without one, but my long range 200k+
>> units I have to have a minimum of a 1k spool on it or you see ghosts. They
>> will show up as repeating events at even intervals. Not something you will
>> see on shorter runs either.
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/24 4:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I should note that apparently I used to do this with direct attach cables
>> (DAC) but I think that was a pain, one more thing to stock and to bring
>> with for projects.  Whereas I’d always have boxes full of SFPs and fiber
>> patch cords.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2024 4:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables
>>
>>
>>
>> People say you need a launch cable but our cheap china OTDRs have no
>> issues seeing the connector at the end of the patch cable and stuff
>> beyond.  I bought a big launch cable back in the day and never use it
>> anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Might be different with AE?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 5:16 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Only minimum length I know of is the OTDR dead zone.  If that is a
>> problem you purposely lengthen the cable with a launch cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2024 1:59 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables
>>
>>
>>
>> Reddit is wrong.  Gasp.
>>
>>
>>
>> Connectors are loss, there is more loss in either one of the connectors
>> than there is the single mode glass.
>>
>>
>>
>> Between a switch/router in a rack what I see all the time is long (like
>> 5/10/15 feet) cables and then put the slack in a loop along the posts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 1:19 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>
>> Patchbox makes some great products, their fiber system is pretty slick
>> but expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cable length is irrelevant it's optical budget / Rx signal strength.
>> Normally on 2-20k LR optics you are ok with any length cable, 40km+ needs a
>> pad on short spans. (Attenuator)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 8:29 AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a minimum length for a single mode fiber patch cable?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been using 1 meter cables and they are almost always too long, I’m
>> talking about going between routers and switches in a rack, stuff like
>> that.  I see that FS sells 0.5 meter cables, but I saw somewhere like maybe
>> on Reddit someone claiming there was a minimum length.  Given SM fiber and
>> LR optics, I don’t see how 0.5 or 1.0 meter would be different they are
>> both essentially zero length.
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably there’s some kind of cable tray or cable management solution I
>> could be using but I’ve never liked such things.
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