Here you go Jeff... Not breakfast but dinner On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 9:58 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> And not even close to accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Jeff Broadwick - > Lists > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:49 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > Stop it please. I enjoy this list for tidbits of industry info and it’s > friendly banter. I’m even interested in Jaime’s breakfast and weather > girls. > > > > If the politics was light and friendly, I’d be all in…this is anything but. > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: > > > > Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. > Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it > as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up > news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone > watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known > factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until > Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present > as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust > any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness > Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts > and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds > since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may > never recover. > > On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Evan and others, > > > > You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are > doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote > their way. > > > > Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google > search with reputable sources. > > > > It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the > conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think > you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? > > > > I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican > party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be > kind and empathetic. > > > > Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm > worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be > against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, > Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell > your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. > Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? > > > > Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I > didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full > support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people > on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour > and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. > > > > Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession > unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should > hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right > thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every > profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that > think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the > full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. > > > > The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the > people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote > republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than > the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. > > > > There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of > human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. > They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than > the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't > shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad > things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. > > > > Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts > and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or > you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you > think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and > just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. > > > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > > What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c > theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting > for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda > tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because > they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage > the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. > Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems > made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do > anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are > posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side > is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways > to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping > for better care and fear mongering... > > On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > nail on the head > > > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. > > > > Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > *To: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> > *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > So Mike, > > > > You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? > > > > The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use > violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and > more. > > > > I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the > non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so > don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the > Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the > woodwork after trump was elected. > > > > I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights > and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single > issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who > protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my > choice. > > > > I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden > wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or > Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the > next 3 elections. > > > > Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress > being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election > was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his > supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now > there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. > > > > Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city > councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real > history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and > racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered > America first lol. > > > > And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that > they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. > They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school > because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you > aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. > > > > And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on > everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to > "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church > where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a > pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen > being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been > charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the > rug. > > > > The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away > with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick > republican men! > > > > Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who > proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that > they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those > different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering > to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They > scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. > > > > While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get > my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely > annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election > going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and > local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who > continue to vote against themselves. > > > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall > > > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin > Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > *Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Why are we going down this road again? > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF < > af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM > *To:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave Users > Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > Karl Marx > > Lenin > > Stalin > > Putin > > > > Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump > > Even Castro > > Kim Jong Un > > > > Seriously you thing the far left are better? > > > > *From:* Darin Steffl > > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. > > > > I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, > everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the > extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far > right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay > people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and > video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying > the same things. > > > > I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they > disagree with. > > > > So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in > less violent and extreme. > > > > I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme > left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they > disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, > the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of > people. > > > > While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their > silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. > > > > At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I > don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've > contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. > > > > I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing > hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree > with the hate speech and calls for violence. > > > > The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being > elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political > events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if > Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding > still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was > elected. It's very sad. > > > > People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. > > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > Ouchie! > > You called me the C word... > > > > > > *From:* Robert > > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good > cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few > extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including > other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. > > On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. > > > > “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about > Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only > listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are > only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats > are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and > assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the > average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and > authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right > doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little > empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all > people in the information it provides. > > > > Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I > care about all people, even if I don't like them. > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ > > > > > > I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing > configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and > just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers > or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does > have a massive left leaning political bias. > > > > But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the > internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames > stuff. > > > > ... > > > > would you like to play a game > > Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to > play? > > [image: Steve Jones] > > global thermo nuclear warfare > > I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with > you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by > the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a > scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and > insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. 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