Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

Jan-GAMs Sat, 25 Mar 2023 12:45:29 -0700

Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and presentit as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. Theymake up news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hellshould anyone watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, thishas been a known factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it asnews. Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS"channel can present as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'mnever going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan didaway with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or lessended news reporting facts and brought in news reporting as hype. Factsand news have been at odds since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH andstarted up FOX news. Real news may never recover.


On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote:

Evan and others,

You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicansare doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're goingto vote their way.

Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with aGoogle search with reputable sources.

It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down theconversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don'tthink you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you?

I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in therepublican party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stopattacking people. Be kind and empathetic.

Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'mworried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should beagainst all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and yourwife, Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right whowould tell your wife to go back to her country because they'rexenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said thatto your wife?

Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, Ididn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm infull support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same withthe people on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was apeaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical.

Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any professionunconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think weshould hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff butthe right thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad peoplein every profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friendsand family that think the murder of George Floyd was justified, evenafter watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick peoplewith sick minds.

The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half thepeople hate themselves and their country so much that they continue tovote republican. The new republican party is far more different andextreme than the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan.

There is no question that democrats are better for all people in termsof human rights, equality, and protections against employers andcorporations. They pass more bills to protect people, the environment,and the world than the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfectand that there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comesback to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so we endup in the middle.

Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. Thefacts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'mcrazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extremethan you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don'tagree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with.


On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

    What we have here is a failure to communicate.   I may sound like
    a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that
    are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using
    all the propaganda tools to manage that.   The Monster money from
    both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so much or
    the other) is just used to manage the political resources.  It's
    all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is
    overwhelming when you look at the tax votes.  The dems made noise
    about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do
    anything about it.  And Bidens announcements about tax the rich
    are posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. 
    Right side is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with
    promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left is
    about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care and fear
    mongering...

    On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

nail on the head

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs.
liberty.

Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad.

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*From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
*To: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
*Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

So Mike,

You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response?

The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all
want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and
trans people, liberals, and more.

I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's
better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do.
Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's
real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and
lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after
trump was elected.

I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for
human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself
fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote
on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and
that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice.

I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who
cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump.
I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think
Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections.

Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in
congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump
crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base
to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most
crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut
jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire.

Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school
boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to
ban anything that teaches real history because they don't
want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native
Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered
America first lol.

And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public
libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having
two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride
flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they
somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you
aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha.

And don't get me started on them trying force their religious
beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans
people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take
their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an
infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a
pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a
drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of
church people that have been charged and tens of thousands
never charged because it's swept under the rug.

The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and
getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to
control women you sick republican men!

Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state
level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say
with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no
empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them.
I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile
up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel.
They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on
something" with them.

While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they
will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's
people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and
they're likely going to lose every election going forward if
they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and
local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red
voters who continue to vote against themselves.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:

I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves
no purpose.

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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
<af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
*Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

Why are we going down this road again?

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*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck
McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM
*To:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Putin
Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
Even Castro
Kim Jong Un
Seriously you thing the far left are better?
*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to
pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like
socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants
to murder anyone different than them. Like far right
pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder
of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find
thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for
sick things but very few liberals saying the same things.
I don't see far left people calling for violence and
murder of people they disagree with.
So while there are two sides, one side is better than the
other, as in less violent and extreme.
I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more
from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to
ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to
overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the
left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and
taking care of people.
While an average republican might not agree with the far
right, their silence is the same as being complicit in
their sick beliefs.
At least an average Democrat calls out the far left
people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student
loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've
voted for to voice my opinions.
I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians
who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but
since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate
speech and calls for violence.
The right is far sicker than the left in every regard.
Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history
as one of the worst political events in our country. We
would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won.
The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be
hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out
their hate when he was elected. It's very sad.
People who still support Donald are bullies and hate
America at this point.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

Ouchie!
You called me the C word...
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such
a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the
Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points
of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now
including other races ) reasonably... And they care
about kids and back it up.

On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of
school kids yesterday.
“Republicans are wrong about Democratsand
Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why?
Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is
we’re only listening to the most extreme voices
in those parties. So Republicans are only
listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming
that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are
only listening to the craziest Republicans and
assuming all Republicans are like that. When the
difference between the average Democrat and the
average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
There's no meaningful difference between
authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which
are what catch the most attention.

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

To be fair, anything left leaning is better for
humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about
anyone different than them. There's very little
empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's
best that it cares about all people in the
information it provides.
Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and
fiscally conservative. I care about all people,
even if I don't like them.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/
I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out
of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search
engine replacement that actually answers
questions, and just general fuckery to see
what I can get it to do. It wont kill
engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the
building if you were curious. It does have a
massive left leaning political bias.
But some of the stuff it couldnt do because
it wasnt connected to the internet, so now
ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do
some wargames stuff.
...
would you like to play a game

Sure, I would love to play a game with you!
What game would you like to play?

Steve Jones
global thermo nuclear warfare

I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global
thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a
real game, but rather a fictional concept
popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames."
Additionally, it is not appropriate to
simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons
as it could be potentially harmful and
insensitive to those affected by nuclear
weapons in the past. Is there another game
you would like to play instead?''

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