So Darin, what part of LENT do you not get?
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Evan and others,
You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing
to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way.
Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google
search with reputable sources.
It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the
conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're
associated with people who hold more extreme views than you?
I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party.
Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and
empathetic.
Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried
for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the
attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good
people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to
her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if
someone said that to your wife?
Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't
agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of
people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6.
But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be
arrested? It's hypocritical.
Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally.
That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones
accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are
good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them
out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd
was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!!
Sick people with sick minds.
The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people
hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote
republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the
old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan.
There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human
rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass
more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right.
That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians
on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party
tries to do so we end up in the middle.
Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and
opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're
offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could
list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal
republican ideas I do agree with.
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c
theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for
control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to
manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because they aren't
really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage the political
resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is
overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems made noise about the
reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And
Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not a snowballs chance
in hell of going anywhere.. Right side is about keeping the worker bees
slaving away with promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left is
about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care and fear mongering...
On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
nail on the head
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad.
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From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
To: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
So Mike,
You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response?
The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use
violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and
more.
I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than
the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so
don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol,
proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump
was elected.
I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights
and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single
issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect
people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice.
I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden
wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete
Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3
elections.
Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress
being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was
stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his
supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's
some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire.
Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and
city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches
real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and
racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered
America first lol.
And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that
they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example.
They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because
they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born
straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha.
And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on
everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect
the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's
an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or
volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but
there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands
never charged because it's swept under the rug.
The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away
with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick
republican men!
Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who
proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they
care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different
from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up
their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their
viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them.
While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never
get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely
annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going
forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local
elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to
vote against themselves.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose.
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From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin
Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Why are we going down this road again?
Get Outlook for iOS
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM
To: Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Putin
Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
Even Castro
Kim Jong Un
Seriously you thing the far left are better?
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one
side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the
extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right
pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people
of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from
Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same
things.
I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people
they disagree with.
So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in
less violent and extreme.
I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the
extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they
disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the
left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people.
While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their
silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.
At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I
don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted
democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.
I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are
spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they
agree with the hate speech and calls for violence.
The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being
elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political
events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary
won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but
Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's
very sad.
People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this
point.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
Ouchie!
You called me the C word...
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a
good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few
extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including
other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up.
On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.
“Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong
about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re
only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are
only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are
like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and
assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average
Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and
authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right
doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little
empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all
people in the information it provides.
Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally
conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/
I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from
writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions,
and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers
or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a
massive left leaning political bias.
But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to
the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames
stuff.
...
would you like to play a game
Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you
like to play?
global thermo nuclear warfare
I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear
warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept
popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to
simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially
harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is
there another game you would like to play instead?''
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