dkim has been around since 2004, nothing new about it. Its nothing to do with google. dkim checks are a standard across all legitimate platforms (also mail.com, fyi).
On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 3:31 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: > I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service > is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google that > comply only with google as some sort of long-standing standard. It's a > recent standard imposed by google. And I'm never going to willingly give > google my phone number so that when they get hacked again the hackers will > have my email and my phone number. Why don't I just broadcast on some > public website my social security number too? Yeah, tiktok or twitter, > give them my phone number, ssi, home address, all my emails along with my > real name. Because when you give google your phone number, they now have > exactly who you are and access to all your private info. How many times in > the last couple years has google been hacked? Constantly! I am not going > to freely give this shit to them. > > Well, I'm wrong, you're right. When I bought the phone, google forced me > into an email address as part of using the phone. I never use that email > and I refuse to login to anything using that email. Other than that I > don't know how to tell them to sit on a sharp stick and twirl. > On 3/10/23 12:02, Steve Jones wrote: > > if you had followed your email providers instructions, you wouldnt have > created your own problems. > > spam is floating score based. bulk/public/free/spamhost email providers > have high scores to start. proper spf loweres it, lack of dkim raises it, > lack of dmarc raises it, content cn raise it, all the IPs in the mail chain > can raise it. > > Thats why youre responsible for doing your part to increase your > deliverability. If you were sending a business correspondence you might go > as far as sending it certified mail, becaus eyou want deliverability. But > if you didnt go that far, you wouldnt put the correspondence in an envelope > that looks like dish network advertising because it would be discarded as > junk mail, you wouldnt put it an odd shaped envelope that can get stuck in > the sorting machines, you wouldnt put phrase like "sperm burglar" on the > exterior, youd put it in a business class envelope with windows and clearly > visible address marking, a proper return address, etc. > > Weve been managing deliverability with these types of methods since before > emails. and even that changed over time. > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:50 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: > >> So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be >> getting bounced like the mail.com records too. I don't have any control >> over the mail servers. I rent the service "easymail" along with the domain >> name from easydns. You know, it sounds to me more like google is a >> terrorist organization stamping on the competition just because they can >> get away with it. They make shit up, and terrorize those whom they want to >> force into compliance with their made-up bullshit. Next they're going to >> be asking for money >> >> Where is the anti-trust people when you need them? >> On 3/10/23 10:55, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> grnacres.net doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain >> deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if >> mail.com doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant >> blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending server isnt >> current. Its like getting pissed that somebody doesnt get communications >> you sent out by telegraph >> >> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:49 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d9:b0:8af:3519:ea1 with SMTP id >>> bk25-20020a170906b0d900b008af35190ea1mr29983208ejb.57.1678462982507; >>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>> ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1678462982; cv=none; >>> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; >>> b=bJKHFyjF+9UzBXciF4y3cYBJwrgmwap9OQ3AsQpf2nOFXGkTbLP4C0qHnlLFHXPcA5 >>> >>> TAdqmLZYourjPpwIUaAuOjrJO9npBlDZRwv5N/S7xI4iPV2aly79cft4VRXOcfmk7CA0 >>> >>> n0mVQfby5GZR1DD+W1UzAdSHRUH51Nn/V7ounZGXel07tvWfVO8Oso9xga3lPfnUACNp >>> >>> TcgZPJSw+qZN7TBryDh9Wu1NFoyTBlKOGbgmQ/kCB0sSolGD+JqNOny+m40Pwdqh40ZD >>> >>> jfEM9U9v6Wc6ORTM1FaDpf5Lp9kw8+8gZwnpXwXqFX4mb8gxYt+hZCPJm+kDipw/lDr3 >>> bhLA== >>> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; >>> s=arc-20160816; >>> h=content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:content-language:to >>> :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id; >>> bh=IehNk68dy6Xm43VADrOc3Wts/VQhOY9VIh8QjaijTk8=; >>> b=NyqdCYZBzsrNlw9g7CPu4CfeQy64PQOMwX8TEIFWlUxO7XScd6qJ5xAmPDrypL8w2e >>> >>> /h4c7ONmrtQsk65hcKCBSJxq4sztWtnPNbv9HZ2VBdC6R/JGcUovOQ5syUTVRAaGoGyg >>> >>> 6quG7biEF/Sud2xX/FBh1gMx50IFKJnscAlxCqvWnWzI5C01HgPhIT9hVh3Plz2YjWHQ >>> >>> hgdmHROdvAdaX6uEl3nz7l4ojOhValcTQDuIakI9ydlRN2QZT12hL1OWX71MpeoGvVMA >>> >>> jmEKbqXHlTu8rWPYvmL0M3Nx0V+oWCnCINPPYL1Pxu0Ob575PZS4DBo1hQE7tozljWxT >>> avNg== >>> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; >>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>> Return-Path: <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca (mailout.easymail.ca. [64.68.200.34]) >>> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id >>> p5-20020a1709066a8500b008d490a104b2si49101ejr.523.2023.03.10.07.43.02 >>> for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); >>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.34; >>> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easymail.ca >>> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E268D1A for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 >>> Mar 2023 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) >>> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo09-pco.easydns.vpn >>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost >>> (emo09-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id >>> csxoJG_y5IgL for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:01 >>> +0000 (UTC) >>> Received: from [192.168.2.100] (047-224-130-187.res.spectrum.com >>> [47.224.130.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 >>> (128/128 bits) >>> key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest >>> SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easymail.ca (Postfix) >>> with ESMTPSA id 03E3A68C4C for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar >>> 2023 15:43:00 +0000 (UTC) >>> Message-ID: <7b07154d-8e71-69fc-f76a-bcfb5ec52...@grnacres.net> >>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:42:59 -0800 >>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 >>> Thunderbird/102.8.0 >>> To: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >>> Content-Language: en-US >>> From: Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>> Subject: hellody >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> nope, this gmail account is standard free account. >>>> Im probably special cause all my communications get routed through the >>>> FBI servers for my online antics >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> it was a test. Only the ones addressed to you went through. The >>>>> others tested, bounced. Your address is different somehow. You mentioned >>>>> your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the >>>>> free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google. The emails were >>>>> sent from mail.com and from my own business accounts. The business >>>>> ones went through and the mail.com ones bounced except for the one >>>>> sent to you. I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them out, all of the >>>>> ones sent from the mail.com got bounced except yours. What makes you >>>>> so special? >>>>> On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i got your spam emails this morning >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are >>>>>> blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. >>>>>> Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the >>>>>> last 11 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact >>>>>> them for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office >>>>>> apps >>>>>> in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs >>>>>> are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. >>>>>> It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking >>>>>> at >>>>>> net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my >>>>>> own >>>>>> email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and >>>>>> I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a >>>>>> year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we >>>>>> never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and >>>>>> go >>>>>> live your best life not having to support email. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just >>>>>> dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because >>>>>> the Edsel was before my time :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves >>>>>> for employees and other business email addresses. It is free that way >>>>>> and >>>>>> we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some reason the >>>>>> server >>>>>> hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so >>>>>> we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped >>>>>> being able to send emails due to something gmail did. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you >>>>>> this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office >>>>>> emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the >>>>>> mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped >>>>>> service >>>>>> but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover >>>>>> any >>>>>> administrative stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I >>>>>> look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger >>>>>> problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email >>>>>> servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery >>>>>> powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will >>>>>> work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources >>>>>> unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Tyson Burris >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Tyson Burris, President* >>>>>> *Internet Communications Inc.* >>>>>> *739 Commerce Dr.* >>>>>> *Franklin, IN 46131* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 * >>>>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * >>>>>> *Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net>* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: ICI] >>>>>> >>>>>> *What can ICI do for you?* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP >>>>>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* >>>>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is* >>>>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* >>>>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* >>>>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* >>>>>> *prohibited.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >>>>>> via AF >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free >>>>>> though. Extremely granular configuration options. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had >>>>>> thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost >>>>>> effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via >>>>>> AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything better out there. 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