Well, I'm wrong, you're right. When I bought the phone, google forced me into an email address as part of using the phone. I never use that email and I refuse to login to anything using that email. Other than that I don't know how to tell them to sit on a sharp stick and twirl.
On 3/10/23 12:02, Steve Jones wrote:
if you had followed your email providers instructions, you wouldnt have created your own problems.spam is floating score based. bulk/public/free/spamhost email providers have high scores to start. proper spf loweres it, lack of dkim raises it, lack of dmarc raises it, content cn raise it, all the IPs in the mail chain can raise it.Thats why youre responsible for doing your part to increase your deliverability. If you were sending a business correspondence you might go as far as sending it certified mail, becaus eyou want deliverability. But if you didnt go that far, you wouldnt put the correspondence in an envelope that looks like dish network advertising because it would be discarded as junk mail, you wouldnt put it an odd shaped envelope that can get stuck in the sorting machines, you wouldnt put phrase like "sperm burglar" on the exterior, youd put it in a business class envelope with windows and clearly visible address marking, a proper return address, etc.Weve been managing deliverability with these types of methods since before emails. and even that changed over time.On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:50 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be getting bounced like the mail.com <http://mail.com> records too. I don't have any control over the mail servers. I rent the service "easymail" along with the domain name from easydns. You know, it sounds to me more like google is a terrorist organization stamping on the competition just because they can get away with it. They make shit up, and terrorize those whom they want to force into compliance with their made-up bullshit. Next they're going to be asking for money Where is the anti-trust people when you need them? On 3/10/23 10:55, Steve Jones wrote:-- AF mailing listgrnacres.net <http://grnacres.net> doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if mail.com <http://mail.com> doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending server isnt current. Its like getting pissed that somebody doesnt get communications you sent out by telegraph On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:49 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d9:b0:8af:3519:ea1 with SMTP id bk25-20020a170906b0d900b008af35190ea1mr29983208ejb.57.1678462982507; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1678462982; cv=none; d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816; b=bJKHFyjF+9UzBXciF4y3cYBJwrgmwap9OQ3AsQpf2nOFXGkTbLP4C0qHnlLFHXPcA5 TAdqmLZYourjPpwIUaAuOjrJO9npBlDZRwv5N/S7xI4iPV2aly79cft4VRXOcfmk7CA0 n0mVQfby5GZR1DD+W1UzAdSHRUH51Nn/V7ounZGXel07tvWfVO8Oso9xga3lPfnUACNp TcgZPJSw+qZN7TBryDh9Wu1NFoyTBlKOGbgmQ/kCB0sSolGD+JqNOny+m40Pwdqh40ZD jfEM9U9v6Wc6ORTM1FaDpf5Lp9kw8+8gZwnpXwXqFX4mb8gxYt+hZCPJm+kDipw/lDr3 bhLA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com <http://google.com>; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:content-language:to :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id; bh=IehNk68dy6Xm43VADrOc3Wts/VQhOY9VIh8QjaijTk8=; b=NyqdCYZBzsrNlw9g7CPu4CfeQy64PQOMwX8TEIFWlUxO7XScd6qJ5xAmPDrypL8w2e /h4c7ONmrtQsk65hcKCBSJxq4sztWtnPNbv9HZ2VBdC6R/JGcUovOQ5syUTVRAaGoGyg 6quG7biEF/Sud2xX/FBh1gMx50IFKJnscAlxCqvWnWzI5C01HgPhIT9hVh3Plz2YjWHQ hgdmHROdvAdaX6uEl3nz7l4ojOhValcTQDuIakI9ydlRN2QZT12hL1OWX71MpeoGvVMA jmEKbqXHlTu8rWPYvmL0M3Nx0V+oWCnCINPPYL1Pxu0Ob575PZS4DBo1hQE7tozljWxT avNg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1;mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com>; spf=pass (google.com <http://google.com>: domain ofj.vank...@grnacres.net designates 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net Return-Path: <j.vank...@grnacres.net> Received: frommailout.easymail.ca <http://mailout.easymail.ca> (mailout.easymail.ca <http://mailout.easymail.ca>. [64.68.200.34]) bymx.google.com <http://mx.google.com> with ESMTPS id p5-20020a1709066a8500b008d490a104b2si49101ejr.523.2023.03.10.07.43.02 for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com <http://google.com>: domain ofj.vank...@grnacres.net designates 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.34; Authentication-Results:mx.google.com <http://mx.google.com>; spf=pass (google.com <http://google.com>: domain ofj.vank...@grnacres.net designates 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) bymailout.easymail.ca <http://mailout.easymail.ca> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E268D1A for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo09-pco.easydns.vpn Received: frommailout.easymail.ca <http://mailout.easymail.ca> ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (emo09-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id csxoJG_y5IgL for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (047-224-130-187.res.spectrum.com <http://047-224-130-187.res.spectrum.com> [47.224.130.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) bymailout.easymail.ca <http://mailout.easymail.ca> (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03E3A68C4C for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7b07154d-8e71-69fc-f76a-bcfb5ec52...@grnacres.net> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:42:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.8.0 To:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Content-Language: en-US From: Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> Subject: hellody Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: nope, this gmail account is standard free account. Im probably special cause all my communications get routed through the FBI servers for my online antics On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: it was a test. Only the ones addressed to you went through. The others tested, bounced. Your address is different somehow. You mentioned your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google. The emails were sent from mail.com <http://mail.com> and from my own business accounts. The business ones went through and the mail.com <http://mail.com> ones bounced except for the one sent to you. I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them out, all of the ones sent from the mail.com <http://mail.com> got bounced except yours. What makes you so special? On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote:-- AF mailing listi got your spam emails this morning On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers All mail.com <http://mail.com> users cannot send you email. How many other's are blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11 years. It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact them for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office apps in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups. I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my own email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go live your best life not having to support email. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the Edsel was before my time :-) On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free that way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some reason the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day. Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped being able to send emails due to something gmail did. *From:*Steve Jones *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. *From:*Tyson Burris *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *Office #**317-738-0320 * *Cell/Direct #**317-412-1540 * *Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net>* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though. Extremely granular configuration options. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. 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