So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be getting bounced like the mail.com records too.  I don't have any control over the mail servers.  I rent the service "easymail" along with the domain name from easydns.  You know, it sounds to me more like google is a terrorist organization stamping on the competition just because they can get away with it.  They make shit up, and terrorize those whom they want to force into compliance with their made-up bullshit.  Next they're going to be asking for money

Where is the anti-trust people when you need them?

On 3/10/23 10:55, Steve Jones wrote:
grnacres.net <http://grnacres.net> doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if mail.com <http://mail.com> doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending server isnt current. Its like getting pissed that somebody doesnt get communications you sent out by telegraph

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    On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Steve Jones
    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

        nope, this gmail account is standard free account.
        Im probably special cause all my communications get routed
        through the FBI servers for my online antics


        On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs
        <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote:

            it was a test.  Only the ones addressed to you went
            through.  The others tested, bounced.  Your address is
            different somehow.  You mentioned your gmail is a paid-for
            account, the others that bounced were the free-gmail type
            accounts one gets by logging into google.  The emails were
            sent from mail.com <http://mail.com> and from my own
            business accounts.  The business ones went through and the
            mail.com <http://mail.com> ones bounced except for the one
            sent to you.  I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them
            out,  all of the ones sent from the mail.com
            <http://mail.com> got bounced except yours.  What makes
            you so special?

            On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote:
            i got your spam emails this morning


            On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

                Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed

                *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                *Jan-GAMs
                *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM
                *To:* af@af.afmug.com
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                 All mail.com <http://mail.com> users cannot send you
                email.  How many other's are blocked as well?
                Oblivion, must be sweet.

                On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote:

                    Gmail is the best. Been using them for our
                    business since 2012. Virtually no issues at all
                    aside from a handful of short outages over the
                    last 11 years.

                    It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER
                    needed to contact them for support. We also use
                    Google drive and their version of office apps in
                    the cloud. We don't store any files locally at
                    all. All business docs are at Google and they're
                    safe there and they handle the backups.

                    I don't see any advantage to hosting local email
                    on your own server. It's not worth your time. My
                    time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net
                    profit so spending even one hour a year trying to
                    manage or fix my own email server would cost me
                    more than what I pay Google.

                    We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free
                    users for gsuite and I pay to upgrade storage to
                    100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year
                    to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great
                    peace mind.

                    This is relating to our internal business use.
                    For customer email, we never offered it and never
                    will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go
                    live your best life not having to support email.

                    On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones
                    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

                        O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such
                        really well, we just dealt with it a bunch.
                        authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed
                        because the Edsel was before my time :-)

                        On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown
                        via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                            I prefer to have it in house for the
                            10-20 email addresses it serves for
                            employees and other business email
                            addresses.  It is free that way and we
                            don’t have to worry about anything else. 
                            But for some reason the server hangs and
                            needs to get rebooted, usually about the
                            same time each day.

                            Google got difficult, especially for
                            email chains and other things so we
                            stopped using them some time ago.  For
                            example, our scanner stopped being able
                            to send emails due to something gmail did.

                            *From:*Steve Jones

                            *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM

                            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                            How much is your time worth. The free
                            internal server is costing you this. We
                            are still using rackspace for subscriber
                            mail and our office emails since its same
                            domain and a pita to set up split routing
                            for the mail. The cost of our mail is
                            covered by the folks who have dropped
                            service but wanted to keep their email,
                            we actually make a tidy profit to cover
                            any administrative stuff.

                            for my business I use google. 6 bucks a
                            month per user. The way I look at it is
                            if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month
                            I have bigger problems than my email. Im
                            a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with
                            email servers would have been a blast.
                            but now its like maintaining a battery
                            powered inverter just so i can still use
                            my corded drill. I can, it will work, its
                            not that complicated, but its nonetheless
                            a dumb waste of time.

                            dealing with hosting email servers is a
                            total waste of any resources unless your
                            monetizing it. too large an attack vector

                            On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck
                            McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                                It is only for our own company
                                email.  No customers on it.

                                *From:*Tyson Burris

                                *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM

                                *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                                Surgemail is exactly what I used.
                                Seemed to be a good product.

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                                *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                                *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
                                *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
                                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
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                                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                                Surgemail you could run 1000
                                customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
                                though. Extremely granular
                                configuration options.

                                On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam
                                Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

                                    We used Icewarp since 2004
                                    without issues.  At its peak we
                                    had thousandth of accounts on it,
                                    but now just a handful.

                                    Not free.  And they went to per
                                    user licensing so it’s not cost
                                    effective for hosting anymore,
                                    but it’s reasonable for internal
                                    email.

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                                    *From:*AF
                                    <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on
                                    behalf of Chuck McCown via AF
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                                    *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023
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                                    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
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                                    *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
                                    *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers

                                    We are having trouble with
                                    mailcow. Anything better out
                                    there.  It hangs all the time
                                    these days.

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