I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily
used them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts
suggest that those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place
in infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been
reduced through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and
CCR2216 share similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the
newer routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be
> great.  I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers
> complaining about mid day reboots.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just
>> need a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked
>> a few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind
>> though!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what
>>> you can get 😊  Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy
>>> 4011s now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that
>>> larger is ok, just smaller is not.  😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Editionā€
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>>> perspective?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
>>> thanks for checking in Dennis!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
>>> stuff in stock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=&withstock=-1&SKU=&IDBrand=1&keyWord=&customfield1=0&SearchValues1=0&customfield=0&SearchValues=0&resultCnt=125&order=2&Submit=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess*
>>>
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Editionā€
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
>>> perspective?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No mikrotiks to be found..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some
>>> UBNT stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the
>>> most popular switches and routers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and
>>> keep people moving.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>
>>> CTIconnect
>>>
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>>>   Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of
>>> orders will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected
>>> but on the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of
>>> this stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more
>>> room to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just
>>> that I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
>>> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
>>> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
>>> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
>>> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
>>> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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