Ahhh, "nimrod", a wonderful term that has fallen out of favor.
Looking it up, I was surprised to find that Nimrod was in the Bible. Or
is this a prank on Wikipedia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod
I also miss Bugs Bunny saying "what a maroon".
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 4:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
For the month of October, there have been more cases in the US Whitehouse
than the whole country of new Zealand.
The difference is that they (NZ) took the thing seriously as opposed to
politicizing it like the nimrods in the whitehouse.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/26/2020 2:01 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> I have a good friend that was in NZ in January. He left. I thought
> he had it so together to have thought to be there then staying long
> term with friends... Turns out he was just visiting... Alas, he's
> in the same boat now as the rest of us... Yes he regrets leaving...
>
> On 10/26/2020 01:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Screw that, I am off to New Zealand... (I wish)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:25 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
>>
>> The thing I am sad is that we had 7+ months to prepare for what is
>> happening now. And it's like we collectively wasted that time
>> bickering. And yes other countries are going into the same situation
>> that thought they were ahead of it, but they are being much more
>> aggressive than we are. We are back to a second rate country...
>>
>> On 10/26/2020 12:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> One thing that seems to be true is that they have figured out
>>> strategies to keep many more people alive than they did during the
>>> first peak. If it can be treated, then we can relax a bit until we
>>> can get the vaccine. Still, I am more vigilant and locked in than
>>> when it first began.
>>> At least we have a world series to watch and at least BYU is playing
>>> an almost full football schedule.
>>> Snow this morning at my house too.
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:31 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
>>> Utah is overflowing at the hospitals.
>>> *From:* Mike Meluskey
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
>>>
>>> Father-in-Law is an MD in the Lubbock, TX area. Their hospitals are
>>> full.
>>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2020, at 15:20, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>
>>> Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting information.
>>> You said that this seems like it’s a joke but then also that you’ve
>>> moved everyone who can remote.
>>> I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed right now
>>> look at El Paso. This is not going away after the election.
>>>
>>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they clearly said
>>>> that the natural progression of any novel virus is 3 annual
>>>> seasons, with this one in particular being predominately in fall.
>>>> this is season 2. We have treatments now that are effective, we
>>>> quit killing people with ventilators the way were were in the
>>>> beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no shortage of
>>>> PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting on this changes to be
>>>> less terrifying.
>>>> Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and innoculated, 3
>>>> months permanent, no one knows if this is different thatn 99
>>>> percent of other viruses. but of the well over 30 million people
>>>> who were verified positive via testing and have since recovered,
>>>> less than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the vast
>>>> majority are immune.
>>>> Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved all positions
>>>> that can be remote to remote. techs dont go any further than the
>>>> garage if they dont have to. Its techs choice to mask up and
>>>> glove
>>>> up, and as long as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will
>>>> continue to be there choice. This is only applicable to
>>>> interiors,
>>>> theyre not required to mask outside, thats simply ignorant to
>>>> require and its not "following the science" . ut the tech can
>>>> choose to do that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a
>>>> condom all day, its none of our concern.
>>>> Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply base it on
>>>> the percentage of total tests that are positive, its gotten
>>>> colder, so people arent getting tested on a whim and we are back
>>>> to primarily people with risk factors getting tested, the
>>>> positivity rate went up as would be expected, but not as high as
>>>> anticipated.
>>>> If legitimate numbers start going up like hospitalizations
>>>> (luckily I have ins in healthcare so i dont have to rely on media
>>>> reports and politically charged public health departments, i am
>>>> privy to internal census reports in healthcare) then we will look
>>>> toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if our coverage
>>>> area sees a legitimate surge.
>>>> We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was infected, we
>>>> cancelled him for his quarantine period. We dont have in person
>>>> company meetings. When we are together on project work we dont
>>>> ride in the same vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk,
>>>> but we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact
>>>> operations.
>>>> I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working in a
>>>> hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low incidence of
>>>> healthcare transmission is an oddity that after the politics of
>>>> this thing are over I hope they do some deep diving into, its
>>>> either going to boil down to we still dont actually know how its
>>>> primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence of
>>>> low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated without actually
>>>> catching it, similar to how some allergies can be beaten through
>>>> very low dose exposures to the allergen, will be interesting
>>>> research when the politics of it are over)
>>>> Every single "look at this country, look at that country" has
>>>> turned out to be wrong on both sides of the argument, even WHO
>>>> says lockdowns are the wrong solution now.
>>>> Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to put a bunch
>>>> of
>>>> people in prison, even in this industry there will probably be
>>>> some prison sentences handed out, the money came with
>>>> requirements, it wasnt just free cash to grow a company.
>>>> I can tell you there is something going around thats causing
>>>> chest
>>>> xrays to look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is
>>>> identifying the presence of covid or history of its presence,
>>>> thats concerning, keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its
>>>> flu season, and given the disruption of interaction, this years
>>>> flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its worth keeping
>>>> covid policies in place regardless to not have staff out with a
>>>> wild flu.
>>>> And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning its 8 days
>>>> of hell,
>>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are so bad we were featured on ABC News.... people just
>>>> want to fucking party...
>>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, all we can
>>>> say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter choosing to live
>>>> in Maine, where “social distancing” was already the norm.
>>>> (bike photo was actually from a ride a month ago up to
>>>> the
>>>> Quebec border)____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jaime
>>>> Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and
>>>> counting____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up panel and
>>>> stuff because two electricians would wear masks...I
>>>> wasn't
>>>> there , I would have made them step outside ...our boss
>>>> complained to water utilities because we are on a
>>>> schedule
>>>> with several people. ____
>>>>
>>>> The control room is small. ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes
>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> We are doing normal installs for now. Watching our
>>>> local county info in internal tracking systems I
>>>> developed. ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If things
>>>> severely spike this winter we will shut down installs
>>>> again. ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> At this point we are not masking nor requiring
>>>> customers to wear masks - but we do ask customers to
>>>> stay 10feet away from techs. This point will be
>>>> driven
>>>> home even more as we go into the winter months. ____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof
>>>> <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> So 8 months in, numbers are getting worse not
>>>> better, and despite what anybody says the end is
>>>> not just around the corner.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> I remember at the beginning some WISPs were not
>>>> sending techs inside customer homes, maybe
>>>> pushing
>>>> a cable through the wall and having the customer
>>>> plug in the POE and router. Is anybody still
>>>> declining to do inside work? Installs,
>>>> repairs?____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Also, what about the FCC requested “pledge” not
>>>> to
>>>> disconnect customers for nonpayment during the
>>>> pandemic. How many are still doing that, and
>>>> assuming things won’t be back to “normal” until
>>>> well into 2021 or even 2022, how long do you plan
>>>> to continue? Are you taking any additional
>>>> steps,
>>>> like downgrading their speed or declining to do
>>>> upgrades, or requiring proof of hardship? I know
>>>> this wasn’t mandatory, but if we did it
>>>> voluntarily, should there be a time limit? And
>>>> if
>>>> at that point they are 6-12 months behind, do we
>>>> write that off rather than expecting they will
>>>> catch up?____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> It’s also interesting I see on cable company
>>>> forums issues about mask refusal, both by techs
>>>> and customers, and even of customers who have
>>>> Covid but still want their Internet fixed. I
>>>> hesitate to bring this up because it has become a
>>>> political or “freedom” issue in a way that
>>>> seatbelts or smoking or wearing a yellow vest at
>>>> a
>>>> grain elevator or even picking up after your dog
>>>> isn’t, and I’m tired of being caught in the
>>>> middle. But take the extreme case of a customer
>>>> who recently tested positive or the tech gets
>>>> there and strongly suspects someone in the house
>>>> is contagious, is this really happening, and what
>>>> is your response? At the beginning I would ask
>>>> when setting up every appointment, has anyone in
>>>> the house tested positive, but I’ve come to
>>>> believe that’s pointless.____
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